Post: #1

Hello, there's a tournament coming in few weeks so I decided to share my army list here. It's a one day tournament with three games and special scenarios (no objective holding). The only restrictions of the armies are max. 60 models or 450 points per unit (characters can still be more expensive than that), no Folding Fortress and all special characters who cost over 400 points are banned.

I wanted to create a very competitive army, so here it is.

The Vampire Lord goes in a horde of Ghouls, the Wight King and the Necromancer in another and the Vampire in another. The idea is to form a strong center with three hordes of Ghouls. The Wraiths sweep the flank away and enter the "real" combats when it's done. Finally the bats are there for hunting war machines and annoying enemy.

The Vampire Lord carries either the Lord of Shadows or Light. Both are very good lores, but without the Lore of Shadows I'm in a trouble if I face a Steam Tank. My Wraiths could stuck it, but on the other hand, my Wraiths would like to fight things like Flagellants too.

The Necromancer gives me D6 extra dice when I need them at most. Because he has regeneration, he's quite safe from the D3 wounds unless I'm very unlucky.

Some of you might think why I don't have any Grave Guards... I like to go in close combat very fast, so Ghoulkin helps my Ghouls very much and the Wraiths are fast anyway. Also, the Grave Guards are very easy to destroy if I face things like the Dreaded 13. Spell, so I like to keep my fighting infantry cheap. The enemies are easier to break with augments and hexes.

So what do you think about it? All comments are warmly welcomed.

- Cheers, Skarsnik.

Post: #2

Seems a solid list, though I would have put a Terrorgheist and a Black Coach instead of the wraiths and banshee, more movement, better howl and decent attack coupled with durability and sheer epicness of the black coach should get you through your games, plus if you want to be ethereal the Black coach can become a ghost so its ok.

Post: #3

I think you should take advantage of the new hero choice wraiths...
There's quite a few things a wraith can do and then they'll also benefit from your extra march move (that equals a possible turn 1 VDM into combat with the enemy monsters)...

For rare you could still keep the Wraiths or go with a Terrorgheist as Aren suggested which would be a really nice addition vs knights (against which you'll probably struggle a bit) and such things...

Post: #4

Or just go with a "howling" army, three banshee heroes along with TG....

Post: #5

Thank you for answering.

Unfortunately I don't have models for the Black Coach nor the Terrogheist, so I'll stay with the Wraiths.

I don't care too much about hero Wraiths... Of course it's cool to have ethereal characters, but I think they're just asking for enemy characters with magical weapons. My big unit of Wraiths can smoothly go around magical attacks, but if I have a hero Wraith in a unit of Ghouls then the enemy characters are definitely going to kill the Wraith away (T is only 3 and he costs lots of points).

- Cheers, Skarsnik.

Post: #6

It looks like a solid list, but how are you gonna kill things with heavy armor? S5 can handle things nicely enough, but what if a unit of knights shows up with magical weapons? And then they still get 4+ armor saves.

Post: #7

I would think hero wraiths would be as good or better than a unit of wraiths in many situations.

Unless they're being targeted directly with magic, they can't be hurt. A unit is susceptible to magic missiles/magic fire, has no rank bonus. A Wraith at the front of a unit is safe from a lot of that, and if you're worried about enemy characters you can leave the unit and join up with a different one. You should be able to find some combat that it's safe, and the additional CR you can generate could be very helpful. You can also get the benefit of any magic banner (drakenhoff? strigos?)

The advantage of a unit of wraiths is that per model it's cheaper, they need to destroy the entire unit to get VPs, and that if you lose a Wraith it's possible to heal the unit.

I would definitely consider adding a Wraith to a unit to boost it's CR. I don't see a big downside, and they're well protected out of the gate.

Post: #8

(08-31-2011 09:28 PM)Skarsnik the Lord Wrote:  Thank you for answering.

Unfortunately I don't have models for the Black Coach nor the Terrogheist, so I'll stay with the Wraiths.

I don't care too much about hero Wraiths... Of course it's cool to have ethereal characters, but I think they're just asking for enemy characters with magical weapons. My big unit of Wraiths can smoothly go around magical attacks, but if I have a hero Wraith in a unit of Ghouls then the enemy characters are definitely going to kill the Wraith away (T is only 3 and he costs lots of points).

- Cheers, Skarsnik.

Characters are going to have Magic weapons anyway, and combat characters will definitely be moving toward your Lord anyway. Soooo.... its much more of an advantage to have at least two or three of your wraiths as a hero choice - you pay ten points more... but its such an advantage, as highlighted by Grish. Also note Chill Grasp - great to deal with high toughness monsters!

Post: #9

The point of taking the ethereal chars isn't to match them up vs enemy character...
They have the extreme advantage over the rare that/
1) you dont use rare points
2) they are almost invulnerable inside the unit untill they can either charge out or just use their 12" move to block a monsters path (and possibly get VDM'd into it)
3) they're a far smaller investment... Instead of one unit of 8 you could have 4 units (one of 4 and 3 of 1)... Which could cause soo much trouble all over...

Actually I dont know why GW gave VC the character choices... They're just too good especially with all the new monsters and no more outnumbering SCR...

Post: #10

(09-01-2011 09:38 AM)Uthiliano Wrote:  The point of taking the ethereal chars isn't to match them up vs enemy character...

This I think is the key point - if you're not taking them because you're worried about losing them to enemy characters, then you're not using them right! A great tactic is to let the enemy get very few attacks by putting a wraith on each corner of a unit of infantry with a small frontage.