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Alternatives to Warhammer Fantasy

Hey everyone.

Hoping some experienced gamers can help me out.

Some of my friends are tired at the style of Warhammer fantasy. It is now very tactical, and less about 'smashing stuff with super characters' (I personally enjoy the feel of this game; characters just don't win the day, and armies need to be balanced and used correctly to win). It also takes a long time. Generally we play 2v2, and in Warhammer they like their Lord level characters, so points are at least 2000 pts per person. These games take 6hrs at least at the speed some of the players go.

They are looking for a smaller scale fantasy game, and hopefully using all our warhammer figures in this new fantasy game. We're looking to buy some rulebooks and use what we have to play it (we have a lot of warhammer stuff; almost all armies except Bretonnia, Dark Elves, Dogs of War, Ogre Kingdom, and Skaven).

Possible choices for skirmish/small level fantasy games I know of is:
1) Confrontation: I've looked at Confrontation. Since the rules are contained in models themselves, it means buying a whole new game basically, so Confrontation is out.
2) Lord of the Rings. I haven't heard anything good about this, and it seems to be based on individual scenarios/scenes from the movie. Not sure about it.

Are there any suggestions for games people have played and really enjoyed at a smaller level?
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RE: Alternatives to Warhammer Fantasy

When you say smaller scale, how much smaller? Personally, I love Mordheim, and you've got everything you need to play already, more or less. It's based in the Warhammer fantasy world, with warbands exploring the ruined city of Mordheim which are based upon the existing armies (undead, human mercenaries from various cities, skaven, assorted different chaos, and so on). Warbands tend to total no more than 15 models each, and each represents a character which develops as you play more and more games. You can download the rulebook from the GW Specialist Games website for free, together with additional warband lists and scenarios.
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RE: Alternatives to Warhammer Fantasy

One game to consider is Mordheim: Small scale, uses Fantasy factions so you can probably get away with models you already have.

The two you bring up have issues of their own.

Confrontation: I play AT-43 which is the SciFi game by Rackham, the rule set is very good and easy to remember. But as you say models and rules are linked.

Lord of the Rings: Fantastic for very small scenario based games, personally I think it is a very weak game for playing general skirmish with.

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There is a new game system out called Hell Dorado that has some interesting models and is supposed to be a lot of fun but I haven't tried it.

I think what ever system you look at you are likely to find that new models will be required (except maybe Mordheim). If you are buying new models is your group only really interested in the Fantasy setting?

My gaming club has a group of players starting up a Legends of the Old West (Wild West rules by GW) campaign. I just bought a set of 9 Texas Rangers for £15 (inc postage & tax) to give it a try. Maybe your group could try something like this.

Another thing I would suggest is try playing Warhammer in smaller games wink 1v1 2.25K is probably my favourite game type but small games around 1200 points can be really interesting, or even smaller using the Border Patrol system.

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RE: Alternatives to Warhammer Fantasy

Legends of the Old West is good - I've just started playing. It would mean buying new models and rulebook(s), but neither is expensive. The main problem I'm finding is getting hold of affordable scenery that looks appropriate to the setting and is in the right scale.
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Seems one of the advantages of being part of a gaming club is that they have boxes full of that kind of stuff. We've found a full Wild West Town with Church and Saloon sat in a box that hasn't been pulled out in at least 6 years smile

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We've only just started our gaming club (our local GW got tired of lots of older gamers playing until 10.00pm), so I know there's nothing like that in the bottom of a box...
That's another good thing about Mordheim: if you're short on city scenery, then the Empire in Flames expansion has rules for trees, swamps, and so on.
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RE: Alternatives to Warhammer Fantasy

Legends of the Old West gets a thumbs up from me as well. It's a very fast, fun system. There's a great site with some free paper buildings to download but it's on my other PC, I'll dig it out later.

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This may be a bit extreme but if you're really really sick of it you could come up with your own rules for a game. It will be a lot of time and effort in the begining but this way you can customize it to suit what models you have and the scale of the game you want to play. Just an idea as I have very limited war gaming knowledge.

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RE: Alternatives to Warhammer Fantasy

Mordheim is a great deal of fun, I like to make up backgrounds for every member of my little evolving warband, but eventually certain warbands become to powerful and you need to retire them to have a fun and balanced game, however it is a great game to play as you are making your Warhammer army.

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RE: Alternatives to Warhammer Fantasy

my friend recently got into warmachine/hordes, and is ranting about it.
he says it's a very solid system and it's not extremely reliant on a "powerhouse" character, although the caster has to keep your minions going.

i have not tried it yet, but i might give it a shot when i get some cash.
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Can you just get a rulebook with Warmachine? Or are the rules part of the individual characters?
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RE: Alternatives to Warhammer Fantasy

Legend of the High Seas is a good game, too, and could easily be used with your current figures. It's similar -- if not exactly the same as -- Legends of the Old West, but it's pirates! That means you can easily keep your Fantasy themes.
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RE: Alternatives to Warhammer Fantasy

HereticLosMorte Wrote:my friend recently got into warmachine/hordes, and is ranting about it.
he says it's a very solid system and it's not extremely reliant on a "powerhouse" character, although the caster has to keep your minions going.

i have not tried it yet, but i might give it a shot when i get some cash.

I'm a big fan of Warmachine but your friendly is basically 100% wrong. Characters are far more important in Warmachine than in any other game I know of.
Your Warcaster (main character) is normally the most powerful model in your army, and certainly the one you are most reliant on.

I've won games where my opponents army has been unhurt except for his Warcaster, whom my own Warcaster killed in one turn because he positioned them badly.

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Grish Wrote:Can you just get a rulebook with Warmachine? Or are the rules part of the individual characters?

Depends. There's a quick-start rules set in the Battle Force boxes (which are mostly decent places to start, although one or two have some slightly dud miniatures in them), but you'll probably need to pick up a copy of Warmachine: Prime Remix (the revised, errata'd and corrected version of the original core rulebook) or Hordes: Primal before long. They're basically the same game, but Hordes has some extra bits and one very different major mechanic to account for the differences in controlling steam-powered death robots and big scary monsters.

All the unit boxes and solo blisters come with cards what have the miniatures' game stats on them, so you don't really need any books apart from Prime Remix or Primal. The other books are nice (for the art, for the backstory and for the campaign system... actually, that's a lie, the campaign system is tommyrot), but they're not exactly essential.

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HereticLosMorte Wrote:my friend recently got into warmachine/hordes, and is ranting about it.
he says it's a very solid system and it's not extremely reliant on a "powerhouse" character, although the caster has to keep your minions going.

i have not tried it yet, but i might give it a shot when i get some cash.

I'm a big fan of Warmachine but your friendly is basically 100% wrong. Characters are far more important in Warmachine than in any other game I know of.
Your Warcaster (main character) is normally the most powerful model in your army, and certainly the one you are most reliant on.

I've won games where my opponents army has been unhurt except for his Warcaster, whom my own Warcaster killed in one turn because he positioned them badly.

hah, so THAT's why he always loses... lol
he still has fun getting his ass handed to him though, so it's all good (he never was really tactful, but then again, i guess a khorne berserker player doesn't need tactics when they are supposed to just run in for the glory kill.... and never walk away from it wink
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So it looks like almost all alternatives to Warhammer force you to buy the miniatures so you can actually play the game. That's unfortunate...
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RE: Alternatives to Warhammer Fantasy

If you want a free fantasy ruleset there's always Fantasy Warriors:

http://www.grenadier.it/fantasy-warriors-ruleset.php

Also Mordheim is free to download over at http://www.specialist-games.co.uk

You can use your Warhammer figures with both systems. smile

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Thanks Bug! I'll try that out, see how it goes.

I played Mordheim; wasn't very impressed with it. Was basically like a limited roleplaying game.
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All of the below were stolen from a link over at [TMP]

Free:

Supreme Warlord Bloodlust

http://www.deepfriedhappymice.com/html/g...dlust.html

http://www.deepfriedhappymice.com/html/g...dlust.html

Non-free rulesets:

Budget Battlefield

http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?p...ers_id=466

Armies of Arcana

http://www.thanesgames.com/aoa.htm

For the masses (Note: aimed at 15mm scale or less)

http://www.mj12games.com/ftm/

Hordes of Things

http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.catherin...strong.htm

No Quarter

http://www.wargamesunlimited.com/noquarter/index.html

Allegedly like WHFB but without the "bad bits". Dunno if that's true as I've never tried it.

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Check out the game (game system) Savage Worlds from Pinnacle. One ruleset works for Historical, Sci Fi, Fantasy, Gothic Horror, WeirdWW2. Allows you to use all the standard figure types/ranges (although books show links to WestWind/OldGlory you are not required to use those specific figures....I don't!)

Works as a large skirmish with leader characters given special abilities etc that ordinary troops do not. You can outfit the characters as you want based on the shopping list of equipment. There is a basic set of the rules free to try on the website. Same company as makes Deadlands the Zombie Wild West Game.

http://www.peginc.com/

I use them a lot for Vampire/ Werewolf/ Frankenstein type games but with the vast majority of my figures being from GW Warhammer ranges.

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