Post: #1

HI Guys,

Probably asking a stupid question, but just wanted some opinions on the rules regarding dark acolyte.

Do the rules mean that after you have cast invocation, you can add d3 to the total rolled, making it harder to be dispelled?

Or does it mean that you add d3 to cast the spell.

If the first is correct, it barely seems worth the points cost, especially compared to things like D.Knight

Post: #2

IMO, based on the wording I have seen/heard, I believe that the intent is to add the d3 after casting but before dispelling. ie. it will make it harder to dispel, but not easier to cast.

This will be FAQ'd for clarification as the current wording make NO sense at all.

Post: #3

I only glanced but i though it was about models getting raised

Post: #4

well it says that the vampire adds D3 to the casting total when he successfully casts Ion, the way i see that is working the same as with adding your wizard level, you roll the dice and add your wizard level to the result then roll a D3 and add that to the result as well for the final casting total, so it would help you cast the spell as well as making it harder to dispell

Post: #5

um we still can't cast the same spell with the same model like we could before right? like Invocation and dance?

Post: #6

(01-23-2012 02:28 PM)Hutobega Wrote:  um we still can't cast the same spell with the same model like we could before right? like Invocation and dance?

nope, no more spamming spells, you can get multiples of invocation by taking multiple casters (with IoN being the signiture spell) but vanhels can only be cast once per magic phase, and on only one caster, with the exception of using the book of arkhan or taking either of the two SC with loremaster

Post: #7

(01-23-2012 02:23 AM)Bishop Wrote:  IMO, based on the wording I have seen/heard, I believe that the intent is to add the d3 after casting but before dispelling. ie. it will make it harder to dispel, but not easier to cast.

This will be FAQ'd for clarification as the current wording make NO sense at all.

Really? It seems pretty straightforward to me.

Add d3 to the casting total (nothing about wounds or models) after the vampire has successfully (key word) cast IoN. As per BRB, not meeting the casting value is failing. Succeeding is meeting the casting value, so you don't add to the d3 until after you meet the casting value.

Thus it only makes IoN slightly harder to dispel. Not a good power at all.

Post: #8

It will be much more useful if you could add D3 to all succeful spells of the vampire lore. Not very unbalancing, as you have to cast the spell normally first, and also pays for the power...

Post: #9

(01-24-2012 01:49 AM)Darkos Wrote:  It will be much more useful if you could add D3 to all succeful spells of the vampire lore. Not very unbalancing, as you have to cast the spell normally first, and also pays for the power...

Not to mention that it would also make taking the expensive lvl 4 wizard vamp lord more appealing..

Post: #10

(01-26-2012 12:10 AM)VonDookie Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 01:49 AM)Darkos Wrote:  It will be much more useful if you could add D3 to all succeful spells of the vampire lore. Not very unbalancing, as you have to cast the spell normally first, and also pays for the power...

Not to mention that it would also make taking the expensive lvl 4 wizard vamp lord more appealing..

Sounds like it would be kind of broken to me. Skull Staff in old book only gave you plus one to your rolls, and it was sixty five points. guaranteed that this would only effect spells from lore of vamps, and only castings, but would still be incredibly good for it's cost. With a lvl 4, mortis engine, and this ability, you would have +7-9 on your castings. . . OUCH

This power isn't, well, amazing. But, the only other thing you would take with a caster lord is summon creatures of the night and MotBA. It could have it's place in an army. Imagine getting +9 to your casting of IoN, would make the 18" cast a lot harder to dispell, and that is a crucial spell. My only complaint is that it doesn't take effect until after you successfully cast this power would be great if it let you apply it earlier on.

It's easy to write this power off so early into our new book, but has anybody even played with it yet?

Post: #11

(01-24-2012 01:33 AM)Dklyn Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 02:23 AM)Bishop Wrote:  IMO, based on the wording I have seen/heard, I believe that the intent is to add the d3 after casting but before dispelling. ie. it will make it harder to dispel, but not easier to cast.

This will be FAQ'd for clarification as the current wording make NO sense at all.

Really? It seems pretty straightforward to me.

Add d3 to the casting total (nothing about wounds or models) after the vampire has successfully (key word) cast IoN. As per BRB, not meeting the casting value is failing. Succeeding is meeting the casting value, so you don't add to the d3 until after you meet the casting value.

Thus it only makes IoN slightly harder to dispel. Not a good power at all.

If you look at the wording in the BRB, a spell isn't successfully cast until after the dispel attempts occur/is declined. So, RAW, what is the point of this power exactly?

Post: #12

(01-26-2012 04:12 AM)Bishop Wrote:  If you look at the wording in the BRB, a spell isn't successfully cast until after the dispel attempts occur/is declined. So, RAW, what is the point of this power exactly?

I'm not entirely sure how true it is, but my friend has mentioned time and again that they took the stance of writing the BRB this edition with the mindset of 'A fun/good read' rather than just Rules-lawyering diction.

Which, I'll agree a few points are written with obviously more flair put into them, rather than being completely dry rules, but I also get the feeling that the organization/logic of the rules suffers greatly from this relative idiocy. Considering that so often small wording issues like the one you present are decided by clear and concise word use rather than assuming players can work things out, with the rules as 'Guide lines.' Really seems like a poor decision to me.

Post: #13

I'm sure that is something they overlooked Otherwise the power is literally pointless. I'm assuming it's their to make it harder to dispell and that you add the effect before they throw their dispell dice. Will most likely get FAQ'd.

Post: #14

BRB, pag 32 "castign difficlty" "...if the casting roll equals or excedes casting difficulty, the spell has been succefully cast (although it can be dispeled afterwards...)"

So there is a point in it , after all.

Post: #15

Ok, just flicked through White dwarf 385 ( new vamp. Edition) page 24/25 talks about vampire builds. When describing the dark acoylte power taken by the female lord, it says:
"she also has the dark acoylte power,adding d3 to the total wen she casts ION and ensuring plenty of skeletons and zombies."

So, are they saying this is d3 extra models raised?

Drake

Post: #16

No. They are saying that since it is less likely to be dispelled, Caster level + D6 skeletons or 2D6 zombies > 0 skeletons or zombies.