Post: #1

It was a 2200 point tournament, played against Lizards, 2 Daemons, Wood Elves and Goblins. Here's an email I sent to my buddy, D.


Lvl 4 Vamp Lord
Red Fury, Quickblood, Dread Knight
Talisman of Protection, DragonHelm, Other Tricksters Shard
Sword of Might
Heavy Armor, Shield
Cursed Book

Overall he was BAD ASS!!! Maxing out Overkill in Challenges, Invocations, Pumped Up Van Hels etc... and the cursed book... easily my favorite magic item in the new book... Every Magic Phase I used it and it had people wasting dispel scrolls/dice on sometimes 1 PD on my D3... it's like having a Shadow caster that casts spells automatically, so it really puts your opponent at an even more sever disadvantgae with dispelling other things like invocation, vanhels, vigor etc. He also charged a building with 6 flamers, went into combat with the GG, all 6 flamers attacked the vamp, dragonhelm saved all the wounds, Vamp and the GG cleaned them up then popped with unstable... like I said, badass! Although he did die when a Hero Treeman (yes, I lost to wood elves) got into CC with him, the vamp had to issue a challenge and I could only hit him on 6s in the challenge, so I'd cause 1 wound a round, but his caster was Life so he kept healing him... finallythe treeman's 5 thunderstomp did him in... sad. But when I played against lizardmen, he killed a Slann in a challenge in 1 turn... when the player had to re-roll his ward from the Shard, he lost all color in his face!

Necro (Vamp)
Rod of Flaming Death, Dragonbane gem

The rod was ehh... but I didn't need it alot, so I'll keep using it as it's very situational. Having an extra vamp lore is nice. When my necro left the unit 6 flamers targeted the necro and he didn't know he had the gem... saved 13 wounds on the 2+ The guy was pissed lol!!

Necro (Death)
Dispel Scroll

Excellent little guy to have... as a level one, he got off Purple Sun in 1 game (threw 5 dice, irresistible, rolled 10 for the distance so it ran through a unit of blood letters haha, then the miscast was template where everybody in base contact gets hurt, but not the wizard), but I was in a building so it was D6, so 3 zombies died!)

37 Ghouls, champ
money... as usual

5 dire wolves
5 dire wolves

Redirecting was incredible, vangaurd so you're still within 12 of the general, then 18 inches more...

28 Zombies, FC
My necro bunker on the front lines... when CC was coming close, both necros left the zombie tarpit... almost every game this thing got to between 60-90 zombies before CC.

20 Grave Gaurd, FC, GW, Barrows
Lord bunker, I didn't need more than 20 in most cases as one invocation raised an average of 7-8 back.

4 Vargheists
Lore of Light destoys them with Shems burning gaze and Banishment... but against warmachines you're garanteed a turn 3 flank charge and if you have models left they survive the game!

Corpse Cart, lodestone
INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In larger games i'm running 2 That always stikes first bubble plus the lodestone was money in raising everything back.

2 bat swarms
Oh yeah!! Great weapon GG and Temple Gaurd going simultaneous?? Yes please!!! Double charge Vargheists and bats into Driads with Initiative 6... yes please!! And great redirectors if necessary and good chariot chargers with fly.

Terrorgheist.
Loved it. Should have killed 2 Blood thirsters in 2 seperate games but a combination of bad rolling and my one opponent (who won the tourny) had his Bloodthirster down to 2 wounds remaining (from prior screams) and I screamed again... he needed to make saves on 6 wounds, and rolled 5 6s, so he lived... and it was blood and glory so I woulda won the scenario plus his points... a 1000 point swing by making 5 5+ saves....

Overall I love the new Vamps... incredible synergies to say the least. Next tourny is 2500 and special characters allowed... Mannfred is making an appearance

Post: #2

Wow, sounds like the vamps are going to be fun, even in tourney settings. I have to ask, how does a vampire with dreadknight play out? challenges can be good, but even with the 5+ overkill to combat resolution, I would rather have my red fury vamp be doing wounds on the actual unit.

Post: #3

(01-30-2012 07:55 PM)Jacques Dauger De Cavoye Wrote:  Wow, sounds like the vamps are going to be fun, even in tourney settings. I have to ask, how does a vampire with dreadknight play out? challenges can be good, but even with the 5+ overkill to combat resolution, I would rather have my red fury vamp be doing wounds on the actual unit.

He died from challenging a Treeman Hero with that item that made him roll 6s to hit. Other than that he tore through everything, Hero TempleGaurd, Slanns, Black Orc BSB etc.

I'd still keep the WS9 since you're still getting max overkill and killing off champs/heros which limit attacks back at your unit. Plus there's a chance he won't accept then you can put enemies in the back rank

Although against Greater daemons things may get hairy... if he issues a challenge against a Bloodthirster without the flaming axe, he's in trouble...

Post: #4

the guy rolled 5 6s? jesus, getting good luck AND playing daemons is over kill

Post: #5

Could you tell a little more about the games themselves and the composition of the armies you played against?

Post: #6

I stopped reading at 'lost to wood elves'. Dreadknight sounds like an increasingly bad idea, especially seeing how someone needs to kill rank and file.

Post: #7

(02-01-2012 03:45 PM)N.I.B Wrote:  I stopped reading at 'lost to wood elves'. Dreadknight sounds like an increasingly bad idea, especially seeing how someone needs to kill rank and file.

I'll post more details later.

Last night I found out my Wood Elf opponent cheated. His list had 2 casters, one using the Wood Elf Lore and another lvl 4 using Beast. When he played me he told me he was using Life spells (tournament violation).

In addition, he was using Life Bloom to heal multiple wounds on his Treeman (rule violation) and healed an additional wound after casting on a unit (Treeman) beyond 12" of the caster (rule violation)...

Had my opponent not cheated the Treeman would have died in a challenge and my army wouldn't have begun to crumble in Turn 3...

That's what I deserve for trusting people during tournament games...

Post: #8

A bit of topic so I'm sorry, but where do you play eggspr?

Post: #9

Those darn wood elves! Well, at least you had fun with the new book, that's what matters.

Post: #10

WarlikeRogue I PM'ed you.

Although I didn't mention this, BUT.............

... One of my zombies wounded a Bloodthirster.

I repeat. A zombie wounded a Bloodthirster.

A - MAZING!!

Won a free dice for that one

Post: #11

(02-01-2012 05:09 PM)eggspr Wrote:  

(02-01-2012 03:45 PM)N.I.B Wrote:  I stopped reading at 'lost to wood elves'. Dreadknight sounds like an increasingly bad idea, especially seeing how someone needs to kill rank and file.

I'll post more details later.

Last night I found out my Wood Elf opponent cheated. His list had 2 casters, one using the Wood Elf Lore and another lvl 4 using Beast. When he played me he told me he was using Life spells (tournament violation).

In addition, he was using Life Bloom to heal multiple wounds on his Treeman (rule violation) and healed an additional wound after casting on a unit (Treeman) beyond 12" of the caster (rule violation)...

Had my opponent not cheated the Treeman would have died in a challenge and my army wouldn't have begun to crumble in Turn 3...

That's what I deserve for trusting people during tournament games...

I dont mean to be rude but surley you must have realised he was cheating. Why didnt you pick up on it in the game. If my oponent was using lifr bloom on someone more then 12" away I wouldnt allow it. Im sorry I just find it hard to believe you couldnt notice these things during the game.

Post: #12

(02-01-2012 11:46 PM)Pladvoncarstein Wrote:  

(02-01-2012 05:09 PM)eggspr Wrote:  

(02-01-2012 03:45 PM)N.I.B Wrote:  I stopped reading at 'lost to wood elves'. Dreadknight sounds like an increasingly bad idea, especially seeing how someone needs to kill rank and file.

I'll post more details later.

Last night I found out my Wood Elf opponent cheated. His list had 2 casters, one using the Wood Elf Lore and another lvl 4 using Beast. When he played me he told me he was using Life spells (tournament violation).

In addition, he was using Life Bloom to heal multiple wounds on his Treeman (rule violation) and healed an additional wound after casting on a unit (Treeman) beyond 12" of the caster (rule violation)...

Had my opponent not cheated the Treeman would have died in a challenge and my army wouldn't have begun to crumble in Turn 3...

That's what I deserve for trusting people during tournament games...

I dont mean to be rude but surley you must have realised he was cheating. Why didnt you pick up on it in the game. If my oponent was using lifr bloom on someone more then 12" away I wouldnt allow it. Im sorry I just find it hard to believe you couldnt notice these things during the game.

Never once used Light Lore and don't know the rules about Life Bloom. I got back into Warhammer in August last year after a 14 year break (used to play 5th edition, missed the boat on 6th and 7th edition). I'm getting pretty good at knowing all the other Lores but since I can't pick Life I never paid too much attention to it.

I wouldn't have allowed it had I known the rules. I guess it's just as much my fault for not knowing the spell rules as it was him breaking said rules.

Post: #13

(02-01-2012 11:53 PM)eggspr Wrote:  

(02-01-2012 11:46 PM)Pladvoncarstein Wrote:  

(02-01-2012 05:09 PM)eggspr Wrote:  

(02-01-2012 03:45 PM)N.I.B Wrote:  I stopped reading at 'lost to wood elves'. Dreadknight sounds like an increasingly bad idea, especially seeing how someone needs to kill rank and file.

I'll post more details later.

Last night I found out my Wood Elf opponent cheated. His list had 2 casters, one using the Wood Elf Lore and another lvl 4 using Beast. When he played me he told me he was using Life spells (tournament violation).

In addition, he was using Life Bloom to heal multiple wounds on his Treeman (rule violation) and healed an additional wound after casting on a unit (Treeman) beyond 12" of the caster (rule violation)...

Had my opponent not cheated the Treeman would have died in a challenge and my army wouldn't have begun to crumble in Turn 3...

That's what I deserve for trusting people during tournament games...

I dont mean to be rude but surley you must have realised he was cheating. Why didnt you pick up on it in the game. If my oponent was using lifr bloom on someone more then 12" away I wouldnt allow it. Im sorry I just find it hard to believe you couldnt notice these things during the game.

Never once used Light Lore and don't know the rules about Life Bloom. I got back into Warhammer in August last year after a 14 year break (used to play 5th edition, missed the boat on 6th and 7th edition). I'm getting pretty good at knowing all the other Lores but since I can't pick Life I never paid too much attention to it.

I wouldn't have allowed it had I known the rules. I guess it's just as much my fault for not knowing the spell rules as it was him breaking said rules.

Ok fair enough. Thought you had been playing for awhile. It is always worth checking all the lores even though we cant take life. That way people cannot cheat you.

Post: #14

I'm quit impressesd it's not everyday a zombie deals a wound to a blood thirster. . . let alone anything.

Post: #15

I thought your initial post was interesting reading Eggspr.

That Treeman Lord with the roll a 6 to hit in challenges must be an oversight from GW in my opinion. What were they thinking?? Pretty cheesy to use it though..

Just had my first game with the new book today (1500 pts), vs ,Skaven. I got to test both Kemmler and Krell, and I had the game in the box by turn 3-4. Managed to kill his warlord with Krell (caused 7 wounds in one turn of CC), and also managed to kill off 4 rat ogres w handlers with one spirit host.. That one now can but 1 Single Spirit Host feels much too useful, bordering on blatantly unfair in some ways.

All in all though, it was hard to judge the army, or even get a decent first impression, as my dice rolls were nothing short of spectacular on average.. I've probably never been this lucky before.

Post: #16

Why are your opponents not refusing the important challenges with important characters like Slann and Skaven Warlords? That's what makes Dread Knight (And Krell's must-challenge rule) such a bad idea, it means if you play someone who knows what it means, you could get screwed...

Post: #17

(02-05-2012 04:16 PM)Lord Fear Wrote:  Why are your opponents not refusing the important challenges with important characters like Slann and Skaven Warlords? That's what makes Dread Knight (And Krell's must-challenge rule) such a bad idea, it means if you play someone who knows what it means, you could get screwed...

My Lizard opponent actually did the right thing by accepting the challenge with his Slann. There were only 6-7 Templeguard left, and if he didn't accept the challenge my Vamp would have chopped up the unit and gotten the points. He thought the Slann would've been able to absorb the attacks, and he would've, however...

... what he DIDN'T take into consideration was the Other Tricksters Shard... in prior challenges I never made him reroll any ward saves b/c none of the unit champs/heros had wards.

So, in the end I got the points from the Slann and unit anyway bc my GG chewed up the Templeguard anyway

But you're right, I'm not take Dread Knight anymore on my Lord - it's far too risky... a Hero with all the leadership debuffs and Dread Knight could be interesting, though.