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**Disciple of Nagash** · 03-22-2009 06:30 PM

There seems to be support for this good idea.

Basically there would be two levels of bloodline powers: minor and major.

The minor powers can be used for all bloodlines, but are not overtly powerful, nor are very specific.

I would suggest that the minor powers are all under 50pts, if not lower. Maybe 25pts limit?

They should also be generic, so plausible for any bloodline to take them.

So here are a few:

Master Powers as per the VC armybook.

Transfix 25pts
The creature of the night has such a penetrating glare, that the focus of their gaze cannot but help and tremble before them
One enemy in BtB contact must take an unmodified Ld test as their base Ld value. If failed they cannot strike any blows in that round of combat. Does not affect units ItP.

Quicksliver 20pts
The vampire is strikes swifter than a snake, endless attacks crushing the foe before them
The vampire has +1A.

Dark Aura 25pts
A cloud of perpetual darkness surrounds the vampire, confusing those who would seem to harm the creature within
Any shooting or CC attacks targeted at the vampire are at -1 to hit.

**Danceman** · 03-22-2009 07:18 PM

Transfix : Fine but still feel we should keep these kinds of abilities to the Lahmia vampires. It is sort of their calling card.
Quicksilver : 30pts. 20pts is too cheap and I am not sure it deserve to be general ability, feels more like to apply to a Blood Dragon or in the form of frenzy with a strigoi vampire.
Dark aura should : 50pts. At 25pts it is too much of a no brainer and can be used to create some seriously broken setups.

When I saw this project I was actually hoping we were going to move towards a more restrictive model.
Just my 2 brains!

Dark Lord Nihilus · 03-22-2009 11:38 PM

Abomination- 15pts.
The very existence of the vampire is an affront to nature, permeating an aura of undeath so profound that it causes mortals to cry out in anguish and flee in terror.
The vampire causes terror.
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I agree with Transfix being a bloodline power specific to Lahmians.

**Onikaigo** · 03-23-2009 12:06 AM

Some necrarch oriented Ideas here, since I just like that bloodline more and they're not represented yet. :lol2:

MotBA is good as is, Perhaps raised a bit in price to accomodate the fact that if one picks pure Necrarch bloodline powers, they're going to get up to 4, 5 buffs to one field.

some power thoughts:

Dark Resistance: 15 pts
The Necrarchs body is so wasted that poison finds no method of travel, and is rendered void. something like that.
Vampire is immune to Poison.

Strengthen the Dead: 15 points
The Necrarch has spent countless nights with their creations, and as such learns to strengthen them to new heights.
All zombies summoned in battle have +1 toughness.

Vast Study: 35 points
The Vampire knows two additional spells from his chosen Lore, or Lore of the Vampires.

Just some ideas, and if some of these are way out of whack, lemme know. These are just thrown out to provoke thought.

Dark Lord Nihilus · 03-23-2009 01:02 AM

Great ideas but in the wrong thread! This is for generic bloodline powers usable by all vampires not specifically necrarch's.

**Onikaigo** · 03-23-2009 01:03 AM

Awh.

Don't I feel the Zombie now. =P

Dark Lord Nihilus · 03-23-2009 01:12 AM

I do think, however, that the dark resistance bloodline power may make a good generic bloodline power perhaps catered more towards the unholy energies permeating the vampire purging the taint of poison? or perhaps the bestial anatomy allowing poison to find no foothold? or the like (fluff wise)...

**Arion** · 03-23-2009 08:30 AM

(03-22-2009 11:38 PM)Dark Lord Nihilus Wrote: Abomination- 15pts.
The very existence of the vampire is an affront to nature, permeating an aura of undeath so profound that it causes mortals to cry out in anguish and flee in terror.
The vampire causes terror.
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I agree with Transfix being a bloodline power specific to Lahmians.

Wait, wait, 15pts!?

We already have a terror ability, and thats 25pts. Admittedly since this is more restrictive, points should be decreased, but for most armies terror costs 50 points.

Perhaps keep it at 25? There is a big difference between the two, from being a good choice to spend some extra points, to being a real decision on whether to invest in the ability.

Dark Lord Nihilus · 03-23-2009 02:26 PM

Never was good at deciding on point values, and I hadn't checked it against the bloodline power we already have....

Of course I agree with it being up-ed to 25 points.

**Disciple of Nagash** · 03-23-2009 07:13 PM

OK, so looking at the current posts:

Scratch Transfix & Dark Aura

Quicksliver - I think 30pts is too much, I would compromise at 25pts
Abomination - 25pts
Dark Resistance - 15pts

I feel those 3 are nice and generic, there is no reason why a Strigoi or Lahmian for example might not have those abilities.

How may generic ones are we looking for, there are currently 6 including the master powers. If any of the bloodline powers in the VC book are generic enough, there is no reason why we can't use them.

I think it's going to be difficult to think of many more generic powers.

**The Dark Sheep** · 03-23-2009 08:06 PM

Will the blood dragons have to challenge?

In any case we could add a power like the old BD power: Honour or death. Thus the challenged (or challenging) character would have to take some sort of psychology test or count as refusing. I imagine this would make it easier to protect your vamp from general-hunting assassins without needing to refuse the challenges himself all the time.

Edit: It would of course be even better for blood dragons if they have to challenge.

**Danceman** · 03-23-2009 08:37 PM

(03-23-2009 07:13 PM)Disciple of Nagash Wrote: Quicksliver - I think 30pts is too much, I would compromise at 25pts
Abomination - 25pts
Dark Resistance - 15pts

I just feel 25pts will make it too easy to combine with for example red fury and infinite hatred, something I should have included in my previous post.

To echo the other tread, lets keep the minor powers... well, minor.

**Arion** · 03-24-2009 11:31 AM

Parry for 10pts? That is a good generic ability which anyone might have.

**Danceman** · 03-24-2009 03:16 PM

I just realised you might not have access to Red Fury and Inf. Hatred since I guess they will be Blood Dragon and Strigoi powers.

Parry? -1 attack or?

**Disciple of Nagash** · 03-24-2009 07:20 PM

That's right Danceman. The stronger powers will be limited. I can see how any bloodline power would be able to parry, so I thinks that's fine.

I would say -1 attack down that can reduce down to zero attacks for 20pts

Dark Lord Nihilus · 03-26-2009 12:18 AM

The concept of parry sounds fine but I'm not sure it's generic. It fits Von Carsteins and Blood Dragons very well, Lahmians with a (wee) bit of a stretch (perhaps this is only because I envision them dodging blows rather than possessing the technical skill or even desire to parry them). Necrarchs though pose a problem to this power. My next suggestion would be then to add a "cannot be taken by Necrarchs" end note, but then it wouldn't be a generic power.....

**Arion** · 03-26-2009 10:53 AM

Change the name to Parry / Magical Shield then. A necrarch could summon some sort of dark blade to keep enemies off him.

**Disciple of Nagash** · 03-26-2009 09:36 PM

Or even as you described a magical shield to deflect an attack. I personally think it would be an ok minor power.

**goulking88** · 03-26-2009 10:23 PM

how about massive Monstrosity for Ghoulkings like in the previous edition of the army book

**Danceman** · 03-27-2009 02:21 AM

"The vampire is <insert awesome description about being a duelist or something> or through arcane mastery have learnt how to create a magical barrier strong enough to deflect the most powerful of blows". Or something like that to deal with parry.

Goulking88: It will be covered in a thread of its own. I certainly wont forget it! The bloodline of Ushoran still run strong.

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