Post: #1

Hello!

I thought I'd post my first Vampire Counts list and hopefully get some good tips from you guys on how I can improv it. Bare in mind this is the first fantasy list I've ever made (usually play 40k), and I have yet to play my first game.

Anyway, here is the list.

Lords

Vampire Lord

Quickblood
Red Fury
Dread Knight
Talisman of Preservation
Heavy Armour
Ogre Blade
Other Trickster Shard
Hellsteed


Heroes

Necromancer

Level 2 Wizard
Dispel Scroll
Talisman of Endurance

Wight King

Battle Standard Bearer
Banner of Eternal Flame
Shield


Core Units

Skeleton Warriors X35

Standard
Musician
Champion
Screaming Banner

Skeleton Warriors X35

Standard
Musician
Champion

Skeleton Warriors X35

Standard
Musician
Champion


Special Units

Grave Guards X20

Great Weapons
Champion
Musician
Standard Bearer
Banner of the Barrows

Vargheist X6


This list leaves me with 34 points to spend on upgrades/extra troops.

So the Vargheist and Vampire Lord will be working together taking out prioraty targets and flanking. The necromancer will be placed in one of the Skeleton units and support the troops. Whight King will be placed with the Grave Guards and form the support for the Skeletons (possibly by flanking the enemy?). Anyway those were my original thoughts and idéas.

I will mostly be facing a friends High Elf army (But also Skavens and Warriors of Chaos). Sadly I can't say what he will be fielding. Anyway, we play very friendly games so It doens't have to be the most competative list (However i would like to win on occasion ).

So, what do you think? Could this work at all? Or should I go back to playing 40k?

Post: #2

So.. Could anyone help me out with this?

Post: #3

Take two of your units of skeletons and combine them. Take the dropped commands points in skeletons to buff that unit up even more. Take 15 from the other one too. So now you would be having like 80+ skeletons in 1 units and 20 for a bunker for the necro. Put the lord and bsb in the skeletons. That way u have a horde of skeletons with spears, 4X ranks of attacks if you don't charge, with flaming attacks banner + badass lord.
Graveguard can hold a flank and be an enforcer unit, vargheists fly and kill stuff with frenzy.

Sounds like you are doing ok. Might want to think about taking redirector units, or an ehtereal unit just in case you need it.

Post: #4

I don't like Dread Knight. Just not a fan. Forcing you to issue and accept challenges really limits the potential of a Vampire Lord to totally wreck units when committing to a flank charge. Especially against low model high damage units like heavy cavalry or monstrous infantry, where overkilling a Champion isn't going to be anywhere near as effective for your Skeletons' wellbeing as slaughtering the rank and file before they can strike. Much better to accept the challenge on your Skeleton Champion, and give the Lord free license to take names.

I'd split the Vargheists into 2 units of 3. It gives you an extra drop and forces the enemy to split their firepower rather than conctrating on one block of 6. Also means you can place a unit on each flank and really threaten the enemy right from the word go.

You've spent a lot on Core. Over 600 if I'm not mistaken. Could just be me and my min-maxing brain, but I think you could find more efficient places to spend that 100 or so points. After all, Special and Rare is where the fun stuff is!

I'd be tempted to downsize two of the Skeleton units to around 30 amd drop the third Skeleton unit in favour of a big block of Zombies, seeing as they are just such a great tarpit unit. Maybe find some points for cheap distractions like small units of Spirit Hosts or maybe Fell Bats or Dire Wolves. They all do the distraction amd redirection job admirably, and specialise in other different roles (speed-bumping Monsters, War Machine/Wizard hunting, flank charges etc.) At the end of the day it's mostly a matter of preference.

Post: #5

Thanks for the response!

Do you think it would work if I combined two of the skelton units and created a horde unit (like you suggested drmooreflava, only a little bit smaller), dropped the third unit of skeletons in exchange for two 20 man zombie blocks, buy a second necromancer and use them as bunkers? And then have the vampire/BSB with the skeletons as you suggested?

(I hope that made sence.. )

Anyway, I will be splitting up my vargheist because you made a great point on that Crazeh!