Post: #1

This thread is to create and discuss the stat changes to the Strigoi bloodline.

We will be using the VC Lord and hero level characteristics as a basis. Remember that all stat changes need to balance out, so all Lord end up as equal point value.

Post: #2

I think we should go back to basics. Quite simply do not allow Strigoi vampires to use magic items and give vampire +1 Attack and 5+ ward. I hope you fellow Strigoi fans agree.

One thing worth debating though is if the vampire should be allowed a single enchanted item. Think Gollum and the ring or something like that.
EDIT: On second thought the idea of a Strigoi running around with the helm of commandment is just too rediculous. Nevermind this suggestion.

Post: #3

Or a single magic weapon?

Or a few items labelled as "May be taken by the Strigoi?

Post: #4

I agree with Arion, maybe we include a rule saying Strigoi can only take items labelled for them? Much like Necro's can take the Nightshroud (is any one silly enough to put it on a necro though?)

I think they should also have +1 S

Post: #5

Perhaps restrict them to weapons in the common list. I dont think they should get +1 S as an innate ability. It is be too easy to get a ton of S8 attacks. The ability to take a magic weapon from the common item list should be enough OR the innate strength(I am in favour of the innate strength). So either one or the other IMO.

Post: #6

Could they be mounted in the old book? If not then just disallow great weapons. I don't see them fitting fluff wise anyway. Probably if they are allowed to take a magic weapon they get -1 attack and are only allowed the SoM.

Post: #7

Actually thinking about it, I can't see them using magic weapons. I can imagine a trinket like Gollum, but no more.

I would say no magic / mundane armour or weapons. We can pick a few choice enchanted items or something.

So taking the above into account, I would say +1S should be part of their basic stats.

Post: #8

What about giving them the ability to wear several different talismans? You could for example have some weapon talismans that actually imbue his claws with magical fighting prowess or another one that gives him a magical armour of sorts (just select some of the original items and use their rules).

This would (somewhat) fit with the fluff as well, because in the 6th edition book there is a short story where a Strigoi collects shiny trinkets (love that story ). Some of them are deemed to be magical, and can be represented by these talismans.

The Accursed Armour is perfect for an evil, cursed talisman and so is the crown of the damned.

Post: #9

Would that not be more of a bloodline power thing though, rather than base stat changes? Sounds good other than that though.

Post: #10

I could see a strigoi having a slightly lower weapon skill compared to your typical vampire. They might be determined and vicious on the attack (well represented with hatred and the like) but I can't see one being very evasive versus enemy retaliations.

Post: #11

I meant that all the Strigoi could chose between a handful of magic items disguised as talismans, but not all of them like other bloodlines can. Making them pay for being able to pay for something else sounds... strange...

Post: #12

(03-29-2009 06:46 PM)MasterSpark Wrote:  I could see a strigoi having a slightly lower weapon skill compared to your typical vampire. They might be determined and vicious on the attack (well represented with hatred and the like) but I can't see one being very evasive versus enemy retaliations.

Except Strigoi arent Varghulfs. All strigoi while hateful does not mean mindless and reckless. The old fluff piece surely shows this, the vampire rather than throwing himself in the face of the skaven assassin carefully assesed the situation and decided it was better to kill him through magic rather than risk getting hit by the warpstone blades. Strigoi vampires definitely have "healthy" amount of self-persvation in them.

Gashnag, The Black Prince is another example. He surely knows what he is doing.

I dont want the Strigoi bloodline to get confused by the image of the varghulf in the new book.

Post: #13

I agree with Dancey, Full of hate Strigoi's might be, but they are still deadly killers, it's just they do it with their vampire abilities rather than swords etc. If you can get hold of the earlier VC books, it has some excellent fluff MS.

Post: #14

All right, fair enough. I admit that I'm probably lacking in the fluff department when it comes to the bloodlines - I made a jump between fourth and seventh edition when it comes to the undead, heheh.

I'll have a look around and see if I can find the earlier books as well.

Post: #15

How about a ward save as in the 6th edition?

Post: #16

It seems we've agreed upon no magic items, mundane equipment and no mounts. To compensate we've added +1 attack and a 5+ ward.

Post: #17

Fine for me. Shall Strigoi also have hatred as a bloodline rule?

Post: #18

Hatred was a basic rule no? Or a Bloodline Power for their Bloodline?

To be honest, I don't see any Strigoi running about with any magic items, talismans or pink trousers, etc. I mean, the models show they got these gigantic claws? How are the supposed to put this stuff on any way?

It's better granting them adequate Bloodline Powers. Basic statlines should give +1 A, the Ward and hatred in my opinion. To compensate, don't allow them any magic items or mundane weaponry. Don't allow them to be the army's standard bearer and don't allow them mounts. Just like 6th edition AB. If there was one Bloodline balanced the most, it was this one (or von Carstein, but they were generic anyhow).

Keep in mind, that the extra's granted by WS, hatred and +1 A was compensates with no magic items and the rest. Don't unbalance it...

Post: #19

I think we should have infinite hatred as part of the stat changes. The old strigoi changes had hatred as part of the changes so I can't see it being unbalanced, especially if we have agreed to the above negative modifiers.

Post: #20

Hatred feels like it is enough. I agree with MV here. Change inf. hatred to 15pts.