Post: #1

Hey people im really having difficulties against the Ogres.....any suggetions on how to beat them...thundertusk always screws my forces up....and the guy keeps sitting back and shooting me and casts spells that really hurt my stuff....so yh need help please

Post: #2

Kill his thunder tusk at range using spells and slam him in the front with a solid unit that has been buffed to ASF with great weapons, you will still go before him and your strength 6 attacks will carve through him.
As for his own magic, don't let him cast regeneration, keep your wizard general at the back with a mortis engine to avoid black heart and just re summon your guys as needed, also hex wraiths will make fools of them as very little will be able to hurt them.

Post: #3

I struggle too with the ogres. I've not played them yet with the new book but I've read in passing that hex wraiths do well against solid units with no magical attacks (Mournfang).

An idea I wanted to try vs the thundertusk was the kamikaze solo vampire. Give him fly, and just enough attacking prowess to charge at the beginning of the game and take it out. Probably not the most reliable tactic but fun :P

Post: #4

yh its very difficult as he just sits bak and just keeps casting spells. his army is magic heavy and shooting heavy so he just sits bak and shoots and keeps casting spells and as soon as i get near himn he just charges me and gets alot of impact hits.....i dont have a mortis engine as i dont like it tbh ( i know its good but im just not a fan of it ) and ethereal units...he has no problem dealing with them today he cast a spell on them which gave his uni flaming and magical attacks....and last time he took them out with a magic missile that causede d6 s6 hits....and killed all of them...so yh...in terms of ethereal things....it hasnt been goin well for me tbh

Post: #5

I am an Ogre guy. Our weakness is our defence. Yes we are toughness 4 all round but past that our armour options are very limited to hard hitting attacks.
Watch out for sabertusks, they are much more deadly than first seems.
Ironblasters are the best cannon in the game, so expect them to hurt. Get some vargheists to take it out, but be careful you will need more than one to kill it.
Target his slaughtermaster/butcher as they are key. He will also have a bruiser BSB which is also so important.
Otherwise, make sure you are attacking first. The worst thing for an ogre player is to have a load of ogres killed before they get their strong attacks off.
Dispel any strength/ toughness buffs first, then stubborn spells.
Somehow, force a leadership test, they have poor Ld so use that as an advantage.
Sorry for the disjointed writing, hope this helped.

Post: #6

(01-19-2012 02:39 AM)JustWokeUp Wrote:  I am an Ogre guy. Our weakness is our defence. Yes we are toughness 4 all round but past that our armour options are very limited to hard hitting attacks.
Watch out for sabertusks, they are much more deadly than first seems.
Ironblasters are the best cannon in the game, so expect them to hurt. Get some vargheists to take it out, but be careful you will need more than one to kill it.
Target his slaughtermaster/butcher as they are key. He will also have a bruiser BSB which is also so important.
Otherwise, make sure you are attacking first. The worst thing for an ogre player is to have a load of ogres killed before they get their strong attacks off.
Dispel any strength/ toughness buffs first, then stubborn spells.
Somehow, force a leadership test, they have poor Ld so use that as an advantage.
Sorry for the disjointed writing, hope this helped.

I'm also having issue with the ogres. The guy at our shop runs a Tyrant, Glittering Scales and WS10 weapons, a bruiser BSB with a stubborn crown. He runs large formations of Ironguts, Maneaters, and Bulls, as well as two cannons.

No matter what I run, it seems I just get eaten alive. Any time I'm on the brink, and I might be able to turn it around, I get the Hellheart, and it effectively ends my magic phase, and my army just ends at that point. I can never chew through enough to stop them getting mounds of attacks! What are some good tactics for killing them?

Ideally, I'd love lore of shadow, but I don't know how to get that in with the new rules. I also don't want to tailor (not that shadow is), so I don't necessarily want to run something like Konrad.

Post: #7

Anything that can negate their armour and strike first is a great idea.
GW GG with ASF so they negate the ASL means they will still go before them as they are slow as hell is they don't use GW and you will slay them by the boat load, also poison has its uses as well.

Also ethereal units generally run a mock if you can keep away from casters or dispel them.

Post: #8

Along the lines of Leadership stats, ogres arent that good. find a way to kill his bsb. I you are successful, terror tests might help you gain an edge over him because if he fails he runs right?

1. kill ogre bsb.
2. cause terror tests.
3. Fear incarnate + Aura of Dark Majesty.
4. banshee scream + terror gheist + skabskrath if you like these toys. (I'm more of a hammer and anvil guy myself because I love the GG models and the new black knights)

Post: #9

well he usually charges me, but avoids charging my graveguard unit. always attacks my skellies and ethereal stuff. pops his thunderstusk in the middle so all my stuff strikes last and doesnt charge with it either....when my graveguard charge , they kill it, but by that time all my core stuff is dead....so...in all my games i have my graveguard unit as the last unit standing...which is good but there is only so much punishment that they can take

Post: #10

I play Ogres and VC and there is a very simple solution if you want to completely wreak your opponent. Take a lv 4 magician and choose the lore of death, if you get purple sun it is almost game over for the Ogre player. That thing can really wreak an Ogre battle line. If you don’t get it no big problem, just snipe the bsb and the general. Ogre leadership is really crappy and they usually have few ranks so it is quite easy to deny them any stubborn rolls.

As a general Ogres have real troubles beating ethereal because we lack static combat res. So if you snipe out the opponents characters your ethereal units will have a field day. Just hide your ethereals behind your lines until you have sniped the opponents characters.

Post: #11

ah yes thank you, that sounds like a gd idea, i might just have to try doing that altho my lord is like nearly 500 points but nvm

Post: #12

Quote:As a general Ogres have real troubles beating ethereal because we lack static combat res. So if you snipe out the opponents characters your ethereal units will have a field day. Just hide your ethereals behind your lines until you have sniped the opponents characters.

They also have a really bad time with Ethereal units because of the lack of magic weapons.

Most Ogres keep their heroes in one unit, almost always an all eggs in 1 basket approach. A good purple sun or Pit of Shades just ENDS them.

Post: #13

Daww c'mon that's totally army tailoring. . .

Sure it wins games but nobody actually likes "That Guy"

Post: #14

(01-19-2012 07:49 PM)FirestormXL Wrote:  Daww c'mon that's totally army tailoring. . .

Sure it wins games but nobody actually likes "That Guy"

I think Ethereal units is commonplace enough that it isn't really list tailoring. I run a couple of units myself.

The same applies to Shadow and Death lore. We do have access to that you know..

Post: #15

(01-19-2012 07:49 PM)FirestormXL Wrote:  Daww c'mon that's totally army tailoring. . .

Sure it wins games but nobody actually likes "That Guy"

When the Ogre player uses Death Magic and Greedy Fists which reduce a magic level for each hit (not wound) from Caress of Laniph... I'll be perfectly fine being 'that guy' lol

Post: #16

In the old rules anyway most of us took a lore master of death somewhere in our army.
Need to character snipe these days with the way magic has gone or it will happen to you.

Post: #17

You realize that only the signature spell is actually useful for sniping ogre characters, most of the time? Lore of death is starting to look appealing. I'm thinking I might start running mannfred with some knights to ruin his day.

Post: #18

They are only strength and toughness 4 on base, they are all useful.

Post: #19

Yeah i played against some ogres tonight and got smashed up pretty bad. Anyone else gone up against an 18 Ogre block with a Rune Maw and a WS 10 Tyrant? It was brutal. My Hexwraiths and Terrorgheist did a good job of killing off monsters and small units though.

Post: #20

Guys, did no one thought about Bat Swarms?

I mean yeah, they are fragile as paper mache, so any magic missle would kill them. But they are mobile, and if put in the flank of an Ogre unit they are going to fight 2 ogres at the most. If you would have 3 bases of Bats, they would come in with 15 attacks, prolly hitting on 4's. So yes, they may need a 6 to wound, and then there is still the armour save. But they might just cause some wounds, and are great for holding up the unit until your hardhitters come in.