Post: #1

Hello my fellow nosferatu,tomorrow i will be using the Terrorgeist for the first time.So i would like to ask about some situations witch will obviously come up.

1.)Shooting at a character riding a Monster

How are the wounds allocated?Can the monster use the riders Ld score vs death shriek?

2)Shooting into close combat

The Terrorgeist can use its death shriek even if engaged in close combat on a unit in base conntact.

a)For example:lets say its my turn and i successfully charge with my TG that means i would get to use my death shriek in the shooting phase(wounds dealt would not count twoards CR) and then do my regular attacks in the close combat phase,is this correct?

b)If the opponent successfully charges my TG on his turn,do i get to use my death shriek in his shooting phase before close combat ?If i do then this seems overpowerd to me as it would be a possible 12 shootings instead of 6.

3)Stand and Shoot

Can the Terrorgeist stand and shoot ?If so can it use its shriek in the subsequent shooting phase?If it thats the case even more possible shooting...

Can it stand and shoot vs a unit outside of 8" who declares a charge against it?

4)Does Terrorgeist(without any upgrades) get a thunderstomp?

5)Can the targeted unit use Generals inspiring presence or a acompanying characters Ld against the Shriek?

Sorry for this long and confusing post,its just I dont like to have debates and "what if" arguments during games.Any help is greatly appreciated!!!

Post: #2

Just popping in on a smoke break at work to add this: be careful getting the old girl into combat. She's killer flying around screaming at other big baddies that can't get to her because of her movement and flying, but any time i've had to hit combat with her she doesn't hold super well. She's a little squishy on that front. Hope somebody else has time to answer your questions soon.

Post: #3

(01-12-2012 10:30 PM)Adam_Barrow Wrote:  Just popping in on a smoke break at work to add this: be careful getting the old girl into combat. She's killer flying around screaming at other big baddies that can't get to her because of her movement and flying, but any time i've had to hit combat with her she doesn't hold super well. She's a little squishy on that front. Hope somebody else has time to answer your questions soon.

Im fielding "her" as a mount for my Vampire Lord so im counting on getting into combat.

Thanks for the advice

Post: #4

1. Shooting at a character on a monster rules can be found on pg 102 BRB (it is randomized)

2. - 3. Both of these may require FAQ, or rather, will hopefully be written a little better with next weeks VC AB release. (will dig out my WD in a bit and check).

4. Yes, an unridden monster has Thunderstomp. A ridden monster only has Stomp though.

5. I believe so. (again will dig out my WD and check)

edit:
2. Yes - it clearly states it can be used versus the unit in B2B with itself

3. No - it's a "special attack" which is magical and distributed as shooting. It's NOT a shooting attack and as such it cannot Stand and Shoot

5. Yes - IP can be used. There's nothing to state that it cannot.

Post: #5

1.)Shooting at a character riding a Monster: How are the wounds allocated?Can the monster use the riders Ld score vs death shriek?

A:Treat as a template hit to 'unit' in monster rules, it's based on 'unit Ld' so use whichever is higher.

2)Shooting into close combat

A:I've tried every combo imaginable to figure out what's balanced. Best balance I've seen is to treat it more as a 'breath weapon' aka it does cause CR because it's used in close combat if he's BtB but no CR and no 'firing' in shooting if he's BtB that round. But as you can't hit your own guys you CAN shoot into a close combat he's not involved in.

3)Stand and Shoot

A:Yes to all in my opinion, rules are fuzzy pre-8th ab.

4)Does Terrorgeist(without any upgrades) get a thunderstomp?

A:YES

5)Can the targeted unit use Generals inspiring presence or a acompanying characters Ld against the Shriek?

A:Generals? NO this is NOT A LEADERSHIP TEST. Sorry this is a real sore point with me.
Character in unit? Yes, you test vs the unit's Ld which does include the character.
Also an errata'd amend-em a BSB does NOT make him re roll if the result is "higher than the target's leadership"

Post: #6

(01-13-2012 01:52 AM)maxtoreador Wrote:  5)Can the targeted unit use Generals inspiring presence or a acompanying characters Ld against the Shriek?

A:Generals? NO this is NOT A LEADERSHIP TEST. Sorry this is a real sore point with me.
Character in unit? Yes, you test vs the unit's Ld which does include the character.
Also an errata'd amend-em a BSB does NOT make him re roll if the result is "higher than the target's leadership"

Insipiring Presence on pg 107 BRB states NOTHING about the Ld bonus only applying to specific types of Ld tests. In fact, it just states that units in range use his Ld instead of their own.

Post: #7

Shooting at a character on a monster.

Use my suggestion for regular shooting attacks and Max's for a Death Shriek targetting another character/monster (depending on what you were asking).

Post: #8

(01-13-2012 02:01 AM)Bishop Wrote:  

(01-13-2012 01:52 AM)maxtoreador Wrote:  5)Can the targeted unit use Generals inspiring presence or a acompanying characters Ld against the Shriek?

A:Generals? NO this is NOT A LEADERSHIP TEST. Sorry this is a real sore point with me.
Character in unit? Yes, you test vs the unit's Ld which does include the character.
Also an errata'd amend-em a BSB does NOT make him re roll if the result is "higher than the target's leadership"

Insipiring Presence on pg 107 BRB states NOTHING about the Ld bonus only applying to specific types of Ld tests. In fact, it just states that units in range use his Ld instead of their own.

It was an errata they apparently had to put in a WD, one of the guys I played showed me. The unit can receive no modifiers from outside their unit/combat vs attacks against leadership stats that are not 'Leadership Tests'. So characters/banners/our -1 power/hexes on/in unit or combat are ok but unless the general is in the fight they don't get his presence or any other 'external' modifier.

If I see him again I'll get the issue # and page, then again this might be moot come Sat.

Post: #9

Yeah, hopefully they fix the wording issues in those VC WD units/models.

I just pray for a well written army book with little errors/problem...and then we woke up. If we end up with a FAQ of 2 or less pages I'll be happy!

Post: #10

Quote:4. Yes, an unridden monster has Thunderstomp. A ridden monster only has Stomp though.

Hmm this is big news to me,so a huge dragon ridden by a character would get only a stomp attack?If its not a bother can you tell me where in the book/errata does this stand?Because im having trouble finding it.

Quote:2. Yes - it clearly states it can be used versus the unit in B2B with itself

So YES to b) too then ?Kind of strange that i can shoot and its not my shooting phase thats all i'm sayin.

Thank you Bishop you have been of great help

Post: #11

(01-13-2012 03:09 AM)Lord Klobuk Wrote:  

Quote:4. Yes, an unridden monster has Thunderstomp. A ridden monster only has Stomp though.

Hmm this is big news to me,so a huge dragon ridden by a character would get only a stomp attack?If its not a bother can you tell me where in the book/errata does this stand?Because im having trouble finding it.

Quote:2. Yes - it clearly states it can be used versus the unit in B2B with itself

So YES to b) too then ?Kind of strange that i can shoot and its not my shooting phase thats all i'm sayin.

Thank you Bishop you have been of great help

Hmm.. I've put my BRB away again. I think it's in the section where the different types of models are listed.

Check under the Monster section and you will see Thunderstomp, as well as a note that says ridden monsters counts as monstrous calvary. Under monstrous calvary you will see that they only have Stomp. If you still can't find it, lmk and I'll get my brb back out.

The TG would only be able to shoot in your turn.

Post: #12

(01-13-2012 03:15 AM)Bishop Wrote:  Hmm.. I've put my BRB away again. I think it's in the section where the different types of models are listed.

Check under the Monster section and you will see Thunderstomp, as well as a note that says ridden monsters counts as monstrous calvary. Under monstrous calvary you will see that they only have Stomp. If you still can't find it, lmk and I'll get my brb back out.

The TG would only be able to shoot in your turn.

I think you've gotten a bit mixed up here. A monstrous beast which is ridden becomes monstrous cav (page 105 BRB). As you can see in the below quote, ridden monsters get Thunderstomp.

Page 105 BRB Wrote:If a character has a ridden monster; the whole model is treated as having the troop type monster and thus follows all the rules for both characters and monster models.

A ridden TG gets Thunderstomp as you would expect it to.

Post: #13

Sorry, looks like I was mixing up Monstrous Beasts (which would count as Monstrous Calvary if ridden) and actual Monsters.

It does seem that Thunderstomp does still apply to a ridden monster. See Monster section/unit description as well as the ps 105 quote referenced above.

Post: #14

i really hope someone can find uot which white dwarf its clarifies that in because i would love to pish a few ppl off with it lol

Post: #15

Now it is absolutely confirmed, the terrorgeist, nor any incarnation of the banshee, cannot elect to Stand & Shoot. Under our undead special rule it is now stated that we can only ever select hold as a charge reaction.

Post: #16

It also says in the death shriek section that it is used in the shooting phase. So definitely no stand & shoot.

Post: #17

(01-14-2012 11:00 PM)Vampire Ron Wrote:  It also says in the death shriek section that it is used in the shooting phase. So definitely no stand & shoot.

Theres an even easier clarification if it can stand and shoot, Vampire Count rule book, p26, Undead rule, "when a unit with the Undead special rule is charged, it can only elect to hold."

Doesn't get any clearer than that...

Post: #18

Must...have...WD...issue...So...many...Cowardly...​Imploded....Heads....There.....Shall....Be....

Post: #19

(01-24-2012 11:07 AM)FirestormXL Wrote:  Must...have...WD...issue...So...many...Cowardly...​Imploded....Heads....There.....Shall....Be....

Except last I checked, something in a WD that isn't listed as "Official Rules" is not, well, official.

So even if a battle report played it one way [and we know they're not prone to errors ], it doesn't really mean anything until it's in an errata or FAQ.

Post: #20

(01-13-2012 10:13 PM)Mad At Wrote:  Now it is absolutely confirmed, the terrorgeist, nor any incarnation of the banshee, cannot elect to Stand & Shoot. Under our undead special rule it is now stated that we can only ever select hold as a charge reaction.

Yep! However, if I am not mistaken, it previously had it, along with banshees. This was in the previous FAQ. I kind of hope it returns... :3