- Dec 24, 2014
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Hello fellow Undeads!
I've been in the hobby for several years and the army I started with during 6th edition was VC. After some time my attention shifted to Empire and High elves so the vampires have been stuffed in a box for what seems like an eternity. With the return of "The Greatest of all" I've decided that it's now or never if I ever want to go back to my Undead origin. I've therefore decided to start a plogg with the purpose of bringing my VC up to date and bringing in the TK element that Undead Legion can provide. I may also post some stuff on warseer but since this is the place for the True Masters of Death I naturally turned to this forum first and foremost ;).
My VC army is approximately 5000 pts excluding characters which I know, having gazed around this forum, is not near big enough to be sufficient! I'm the kind of hobbyist who strives to have as much variation in my collection as possible, preferably at least one of each unit available from the book.
For those of you who want to help me, but don't want to go through the short novel this turned out to be, I've included a short list of what I need advice on converting at the end of the post. :)
On the Vampire Counts:
As of now there are some things that are missing from my VC collection:
Coven Throne
Corpse cart
Fell bats
Bat swarm
Vargheists
Mortis Engine
These units are pretty straight forward and I may try making the Coven/Engine from the same box as I've seen others done on this forum. I think the GW Bat Swarm unit is horrible but I've found a cheap alternate manufacturer that can provide for these instead. Same thoughts goes for the Fell Bat unit (terrible GW, shame on you) so these will be Gargoyles made from some unused Bloodletters. I reckon I'll want 6-8 of these with wings and some other additions like tails. I'm also thinking of using the pillars from the Arcane Sanctuary box as unit fillers in other units. The Gargoyles can then be placed on top of the pillars when they're not in use and then be removed when summoned. What do you guys think?
The Vargheists are another unit that almost make me rile from just looking at them. Instead I'm going to try and make "general aristocratic vampires from their Counts court" either mounted or simply using different methods of flying. Any ideas on this? Am I taking this to far?
Tomb Kings in Undead Legion:
I don't own a single TK unit and as long as Ebay don't throw a cheap collection in my face within a couple of weeks then I'll probably never come to own one either. This however is a great opportunity to do some converting, plenty of which I've seen on this forum and perfect for inspiration! :)
Here I'm going to take a step back from my usual “must have every single unit and alternative in the book” madness and instead go with those that seems most fun/interesting. Therefore I've broken down the TK list into compartments of interest.
On the Tomb King characters:
The TK characters must be included in my future army since they're so different from VC. The way I see it, the TK characters are more about supporting-combos with units while the VC are more offensive and individual killing machines. Adding these will therefor greatly contribute to a diversity in how I play my Undead Legions from game to game. So I'm making a VC version of:
Tomb King/Prince
Tomb Herald
Necrotect
These characters will be converted or scratch built models representing the role and tactics from the TK book but having the look and feel of a VC army. It's also important to me that they don't just be simple versions of their VC counterparts. The Weight King already fill one role with my undead and I would therefor prefer to do something different than just "it's a weight king but with tomb king rules". VC and TK characters also have different magic items so it's more fun to difference them from each other and makes it easier for my opponent to keep track of the different characters. :)
A few days ago when I sat in the library (why is it that when I should really really be studying, I end up thinking about Warhammer instead?) I got the idea of a Ghoul character spinning.
The "Ghoul race" depicted in the VC book emphases Toughness, low or no armor but with deadly effects to their attacks such as poison. Why shouldn't a special kind of Ghoul, or one of the Strigany, be able to have evolved into just a little more of a civilized fellow? It would still be a cannibal and lowest in rank compared to vampires. This kind of "Ghoul Captain" could be wearing it's lords livery, bearing adorned armor and carry deadly magical weapons. I can imagine such a creature, being nearly civilized in manner, to dine with their Vampire general as lesser officers and eating the leftovers from a blood sucked victim while receiving orders about the next attack. They'd be lowest in command but still fiercely loyal and protective of their master. The thought got my head spinning with ideas for fluff, conversions and magic item combos.
One could use the body of a bloodletter, slightly bigger but still similar to my current Ghouls, and change the head and weapon (maybe put on some armor and clothing) to represent the role of a Tomb King or Tomb Prince.
A regular Ghoul model could act as a bit smaller, but still not so degenerated Ghoul, sergeant or standard bearer with the rules for Tomb Herald and in itself second in command to it's Ghoul Captain. I could give the Crypt Ghoul a similar treatment like the bloodletter but with a more raised, defensive posture, brandishing a standard and sticking it's palm forward in a “Halt who goes there” fashion.
The reason I think this could work fluff wise is that while “Strigoi Ghoul King Vampires” receive resentment by being degenerates and Crypt Horrors being mutated monsters from blood (only considered by some Vampires) these Ghouls are an evolutionary step on their own. Still the lowest in the Vampires eye but very useful to get shit done and with no repulsive connection to the sacred blood these “Ghoul Captains” instead become very useful underlings.
What do you guys think of this? Is it complete nonsense or worth a try? It would only require a sacrifice of some bitz and a couple of Crypt Ghouls/Bloodletter on my part so there's not that big of an investment in case of failure.
The Necrotect is a huge enigma to me. Undead warrior priest? Dead Skaven engineer? I seem to have no idea how to pull it off.
On the TK constructs:
In the book Warhammer End Times: Nagash, Arkhan the black uses necromancy to meld and fuse body parts with other materials to build catapults, thus creating an undead construct on the spot. In The Ends Times novel: “The Curse of Khaine” there is also mention of reanimated trolls and ogre bodies, with differently shaped heads depicting Nehekharan gods, instead of more conventional Ushabtis. This gave me the inspiration for some ideas on undead constructs from the TK book but only built using different body parts and materials into a new massive undead macabre being. This will be a bit tricky to pull of but could turn out great. I think that if you take, for example a knight with horse, you could shift the body parts around into a two legged freak of existence that would have seemingly been created from the dead on the battlefield. It will require a lot of patience and green stuff but I think it can be pulled of.
I've been playing the Dark Souls games lately and there is lots of inspiration for giant evil moving armors and such. If I can pull this of then a suitable unit of Ushabtis and Ushabti Bowmen would look cool. I've also seen several people converting beautiful things on this forum so I'll be stealing some of your ideas lying around, the Undead mammoth for example. ;)
The Hierotitan will be a "Nagash statue" that sends out energies for my necromancers to wield. I also find the idea of using Nagash to summon a “smaller version” of himself", powering up, to good to pass up on! The Casket of Souls will be some sort of "Altar of Nagash" with an almost identical statue like that of the Hierotitan behind the “priest”. For the statues themselves I'm going to use the old Nagash miniature painted more like a statue and I'd really like your opinion on how this could be done.
A Necrolith colossus will be made from an old Zombie dragon that lost it's wings ages ago. It shouldn't be hard to attach deadly things, like giant chain-balls, instead of arms and a blade/ax on the tip of the tail (these representing the “Unstoppable Assault” special rule from the TK book as it smashes into a unit whirling the weapons around). This leaves future ideas open for Necropolis Knights, the Tomb Scorpion, Catapults and Sepulchral stalkers.
Tomorrow I'll be going through the old bitzbox and see if I can find some inspiration for more kitbashed things. I'm fairly certain that I could make a unit of chariots just by sticking things together into roughly the same shape. I'll also try to get started on some of the things I've mentioned above but I would really like some advice from anyone willing to offer before I get started on this whole Tomb-King-conversion project.
Things I need help with:
Also when I start this plogg for real should I just continue using this thread or start a new one in "The Dead Shall Walk"?
May Nagash bring us eternal peace and order!
I've been in the hobby for several years and the army I started with during 6th edition was VC. After some time my attention shifted to Empire and High elves so the vampires have been stuffed in a box for what seems like an eternity. With the return of "The Greatest of all" I've decided that it's now or never if I ever want to go back to my Undead origin. I've therefore decided to start a plogg with the purpose of bringing my VC up to date and bringing in the TK element that Undead Legion can provide. I may also post some stuff on warseer but since this is the place for the True Masters of Death I naturally turned to this forum first and foremost ;).
My VC army is approximately 5000 pts excluding characters which I know, having gazed around this forum, is not near big enough to be sufficient! I'm the kind of hobbyist who strives to have as much variation in my collection as possible, preferably at least one of each unit available from the book.
For those of you who want to help me, but don't want to go through the short novel this turned out to be, I've included a short list of what I need advice on converting at the end of the post. :)
On the Vampire Counts:
As of now there are some things that are missing from my VC collection:
Coven Throne
Corpse cart
Fell bats
Bat swarm
Vargheists
Mortis Engine
These units are pretty straight forward and I may try making the Coven/Engine from the same box as I've seen others done on this forum. I think the GW Bat Swarm unit is horrible but I've found a cheap alternate manufacturer that can provide for these instead. Same thoughts goes for the Fell Bat unit (terrible GW, shame on you) so these will be Gargoyles made from some unused Bloodletters. I reckon I'll want 6-8 of these with wings and some other additions like tails. I'm also thinking of using the pillars from the Arcane Sanctuary box as unit fillers in other units. The Gargoyles can then be placed on top of the pillars when they're not in use and then be removed when summoned. What do you guys think?
The Vargheists are another unit that almost make me rile from just looking at them. Instead I'm going to try and make "general aristocratic vampires from their Counts court" either mounted or simply using different methods of flying. Any ideas on this? Am I taking this to far?
Tomb Kings in Undead Legion:
I don't own a single TK unit and as long as Ebay don't throw a cheap collection in my face within a couple of weeks then I'll probably never come to own one either. This however is a great opportunity to do some converting, plenty of which I've seen on this forum and perfect for inspiration! :)
Here I'm going to take a step back from my usual “must have every single unit and alternative in the book” madness and instead go with those that seems most fun/interesting. Therefore I've broken down the TK list into compartments of interest.
On the Tomb King characters:
The TK characters must be included in my future army since they're so different from VC. The way I see it, the TK characters are more about supporting-combos with units while the VC are more offensive and individual killing machines. Adding these will therefor greatly contribute to a diversity in how I play my Undead Legions from game to game. So I'm making a VC version of:
Tomb King/Prince
Tomb Herald
Necrotect
These characters will be converted or scratch built models representing the role and tactics from the TK book but having the look and feel of a VC army. It's also important to me that they don't just be simple versions of their VC counterparts. The Weight King already fill one role with my undead and I would therefor prefer to do something different than just "it's a weight king but with tomb king rules". VC and TK characters also have different magic items so it's more fun to difference them from each other and makes it easier for my opponent to keep track of the different characters. :)
A few days ago when I sat in the library (why is it that when I should really really be studying, I end up thinking about Warhammer instead?) I got the idea of a Ghoul character spinning.
The "Ghoul race" depicted in the VC book emphases Toughness, low or no armor but with deadly effects to their attacks such as poison. Why shouldn't a special kind of Ghoul, or one of the Strigany, be able to have evolved into just a little more of a civilized fellow? It would still be a cannibal and lowest in rank compared to vampires. This kind of "Ghoul Captain" could be wearing it's lords livery, bearing adorned armor and carry deadly magical weapons. I can imagine such a creature, being nearly civilized in manner, to dine with their Vampire general as lesser officers and eating the leftovers from a blood sucked victim while receiving orders about the next attack. They'd be lowest in command but still fiercely loyal and protective of their master. The thought got my head spinning with ideas for fluff, conversions and magic item combos.
One could use the body of a bloodletter, slightly bigger but still similar to my current Ghouls, and change the head and weapon (maybe put on some armor and clothing) to represent the role of a Tomb King or Tomb Prince.
A regular Ghoul model could act as a bit smaller, but still not so degenerated Ghoul, sergeant or standard bearer with the rules for Tomb Herald and in itself second in command to it's Ghoul Captain. I could give the Crypt Ghoul a similar treatment like the bloodletter but with a more raised, defensive posture, brandishing a standard and sticking it's palm forward in a “Halt who goes there” fashion.
The reason I think this could work fluff wise is that while “Strigoi Ghoul King Vampires” receive resentment by being degenerates and Crypt Horrors being mutated monsters from blood (only considered by some Vampires) these Ghouls are an evolutionary step on their own. Still the lowest in the Vampires eye but very useful to get shit done and with no repulsive connection to the sacred blood these “Ghoul Captains” instead become very useful underlings.
What do you guys think of this? Is it complete nonsense or worth a try? It would only require a sacrifice of some bitz and a couple of Crypt Ghouls/Bloodletter on my part so there's not that big of an investment in case of failure.
The Necrotect is a huge enigma to me. Undead warrior priest? Dead Skaven engineer? I seem to have no idea how to pull it off.
On the TK constructs:
In the book Warhammer End Times: Nagash, Arkhan the black uses necromancy to meld and fuse body parts with other materials to build catapults, thus creating an undead construct on the spot. In The Ends Times novel: “The Curse of Khaine” there is also mention of reanimated trolls and ogre bodies, with differently shaped heads depicting Nehekharan gods, instead of more conventional Ushabtis. This gave me the inspiration for some ideas on undead constructs from the TK book but only built using different body parts and materials into a new massive undead macabre being. This will be a bit tricky to pull of but could turn out great. I think that if you take, for example a knight with horse, you could shift the body parts around into a two legged freak of existence that would have seemingly been created from the dead on the battlefield. It will require a lot of patience and green stuff but I think it can be pulled of.
I've been playing the Dark Souls games lately and there is lots of inspiration for giant evil moving armors and such. If I can pull this of then a suitable unit of Ushabtis and Ushabti Bowmen would look cool. I've also seen several people converting beautiful things on this forum so I'll be stealing some of your ideas lying around, the Undead mammoth for example. ;)
The Hierotitan will be a "Nagash statue" that sends out energies for my necromancers to wield. I also find the idea of using Nagash to summon a “smaller version” of himself", powering up, to good to pass up on! The Casket of Souls will be some sort of "Altar of Nagash" with an almost identical statue like that of the Hierotitan behind the “priest”. For the statues themselves I'm going to use the old Nagash miniature painted more like a statue and I'd really like your opinion on how this could be done.
A Necrolith colossus will be made from an old Zombie dragon that lost it's wings ages ago. It shouldn't be hard to attach deadly things, like giant chain-balls, instead of arms and a blade/ax on the tip of the tail (these representing the “Unstoppable Assault” special rule from the TK book as it smashes into a unit whirling the weapons around). This leaves future ideas open for Necropolis Knights, the Tomb Scorpion, Catapults and Sepulchral stalkers.
Tomorrow I'll be going through the old bitzbox and see if I can find some inspiration for more kitbashed things. I'm fairly certain that I could make a unit of chariots just by sticking things together into roughly the same shape. I'll also try to get started on some of the things I've mentioned above but I would really like some advice from anyone willing to offer before I get started on this whole Tomb-King-conversion project.
Things I need help with:
- Ideas for using Bloodletters as Gargoyles on pillars as both unit fillers and a unit.
- Making a Coven Throne and Mortis Engine out of the same box.
- Converting aristocratic vampires to use as Vargheists.
- Is the idea of making Ghoul Captains to use as Tomb King/Prince bad or worth a try?
- Anyone had any similar ideas for making Ushabtis out of other things than regular TK ones?
- How to make the old Nagash model looking like a “living statue”?
Also when I start this plogg for real should I just continue using this thread or start a new one in "The Dead Shall Walk"?
May Nagash bring us eternal peace and order!