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Your Favorite Mortarch?

Discussion in 'Gateway to the Realms' started by ElectricPaladin, Sep 8, 2016.

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Who's your favorite Mortarch?

  1. Arkhan

    33.3%
  2. Mannfred

    28.6%
  3. Neferata

    38.1%
  1. El Syf

    El Syf Crypt Horror

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    I know I'm like a dog with a bone, but surely Abhorash, Gilles, the red duke, Elize and Erikan could be a cool little faction?
     
  2. Menkeroth

    Menkeroth A Knight of Blood

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    Abhorash and the Red Duke certainly are good characters (and little described also). But the best would be, I'd say, to see completely new models and characters.
     
  3. Unas the slayer

    Unas the slayer Grave Guard

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    I won't deny that... xD
     
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  4. Malisteen

    Malisteen Vampire Count True Blood

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    I'm not saying all of that should be done simultaneously, just giving examples of the many, many paths that are open for expanding the Death alliance and its personality lineup & leadership ranks, given just how anemic - one could even say 'skeletal' - they currently are.

    And while Death isn't Chaos, Nagash is the lord of the dead, and his current narrative is specifically about trying to corrupt and control the souls of other gods' followers - chaos and otherwise - that those gods have been jealously keeping for themselves in violation of Nagash's rightful claim. The Stormcasts specifically have been the targets of his attempts, but recycled chaos champions have been explicitly mentioned as well, and the elven souls that Tyrion and Teclis are trying to pull back from Slaanesh, or that Alarielle has bound up in her revenants, definitely fall within the same general category.

    Nagash has already developed blackstone shards specifically for the binding of such souls, so Death Faction counterparts for all of these units would only be a direct expansion of the current story progression.

    And of course new characters are also a possibility, and I only don't list more of them because they'd be, well, new, so they don't exist to list as possibilities yet.

    That said, unfortunately there's not a lot of room for new characters in the Age of Sigmar fluff, especially for the Undead. Where would they even come from? There are basically no 'normal people' anywhere from which to draw them. The Age of Sigmar realms aren't really a fantasy world. Civilization on Shyish has been all but wiped out, and the people who receive any focus at all in other factions are mostly immortals anyway, with very few named characters among them who might be turned at that.

    The mannfred/deathwalker connection is pretty tenuous. And the Nameless is gone, a chaos traitor specifically destroyed in the End Times. And other than being somewhat ghostly himself, he doesn't really have any connection to the Nighthaunts - he worked mostly with zombies and mind-controlled living puppets in the End Times fluff. Anyway, I don't see them bringing him back, and wouldn't want them to.

    Again, though, if you wanted an old world mortarch character to lead the Nighthaunts, Dieter would be the best fit, imo
     
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  5. Menkeroth

    Menkeroth A Knight of Blood

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    And it will be as it was in 40k with all Chaos stuff opposing to the non-Chaos stuff, like Orks and Chaos Orks, SM and CSM, Necrons and Chaos androids, even Tyranids? No, thanks.
    Fortunately, you are wrong, maybe even without a single chance to realize this :) in order to understand what I'm writing about just buy and read (or read at least spoilers and reviews) of the Shadows over Hammerhal to get to know how ordinary folk leaves and toils everyday. Not mentioning other, older hints at that in different novels and books, so your opinion is very outdated in fact :)

    Mannfred is a vampire so no deathwalkes any time soon.
     
  6. Malisteen

    Malisteen Vampire Count True Blood

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    Not being a thing doesn't necessarily preclude leading the thing. Mummies lead skeleton armies in the tomb kings book without being skeletons. If they wanted to include mummies in an expanded Deathrattle faction, that would be fine. If Mannfred did have more of a direct connection to zombies in particular, like if raising zombies was his #1 go to strategy and specialty, then sure, I could see putting him at the top of a revised deadwalker subfaction. But that isn't the case, his use of zombies is incidental, and if any unit is to be associated with him, it's Vargheists.

    I have no idea what you're talking about with your 40k comment. There have never been chaos tyranids to my knowlede, chaos orks have only barely ever been a thing in the fluff and have never been a meaningful game play faction, and chaos androids, to the extent they exist or ever existed at all, aren't a counterpoint to necrons but rather an expansion of the dark mechanicus, while chaos space marines are the entire focus of chaos in that game/setting to begin with.

    And frankly, nearly all undead are undead versions of creatures that were once part of other, non-undead factions and peoples. That's the entire point of undeath. That's it's whole gimmick, even more so than with Chaos. That's, like, literally the entire gimmick. If you throw out every undead thing that isn't just a necromantically corrupted version of something that was once alive and part of some other culture or faction, you're left with... what? Morghasts? Morghasts only, I think? Morghasts and Dread Abyssals maybe? Wait, no, the fluff for even those things is that they're necromantically corrupted versions of the divine/demonic servants of the old Nehekharan deities.

    Ushabti and other possessed Tomb King's statuary, maybe. A subtheme that GW no longer even supports. I guess The ghasts & abyssals kind of count, because they're an undead version of things that didn't exist in the game before they were undead?

    But still, I think objecting to undead versions of other factions units is kind of dropping the plot a bit. ;)
     
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  7. Menkeroth

    Menkeroth A Knight of Blood

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    Or blood knights, since he's a soulblight vampire.
    Chaos Tyranids were in books, like in the Ragnar Blackmane series of William King where a nurgle daemon hacked tyranid synapse and controlled them, which was fun and thematic - corrupted, slimy and with lots of flies tyranids. Very sweet. Chaos orks remain even now in FFG books like Bloodboyz given up to Khorne and his bloodlust, and chaos androids were chaos corrupted androids when there were no necrons but were androids. Dark Mechanicus is something entirely different and much newer. And no, entire focus in 40k like it was always in FB are chaos demons. ;)
    Not anymore since there are no nehekharan deities in Age of Sigmar, but I see your point. And while it's true, true is also the fact that too many undead creatures will be bad for models as they will be looking too close to alive models, so to speak, that's why, I guess, most undead are humans. That's why it's also great GW does not copy chaos forces like you probably would have done, for example, they gave Tzeentch and his disciples other units, not so like they gave Khorne or Nurgle.
    More or less, I think. And yes, possessed statues are what is really great and I also think it's sad GW discountinued all that stuff. But maybe they will still return.
    Perhaps, but plot is plot and models don't always go toe-to-toe with it.
     
  8. Malisteen

    Malisteen Vampire Count True Blood

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    Personally, the 'haunted wood' is an interesting enough subtheme, and commonly enough associated with the undead, that a Death-faction counterpart to the Sylvaneth could be pretty cool. Wouldn't necessarily be my first choice, but not something I'd object to, either.

    Undead stormcasts, however, are a major enough focus of the plot that I really would like to see them specifically.

    They wouldn't have to (and probably shouldn't) look just like stormcasts. I picture them more as slightly smaller, wingless morghasts, wearing a somewhat more encased version of the Morghast-style layered & trimmed armor plates, with prominantly featured gemstones (the blackstone shards binding their souls to Nagash), and magic weapons channeling necrotically-tainted lightning. 'Blightning', if you will.

    Call them 'Stormghasts', and put them in the Deathlords subfaction. Maybe a dual kit, 5-model infantry unit version, and a dracoth-scale 2-model monstrous cavalry kit, mounted on smaller, flightless Dread-Abyssal looking steeds, with again maybe a bit more armor in the morghast style, with stingers at the ends of their whip-like tails a la the necrosphinx. Add one or two hero kits, a hero version of the cav kit (or include hero option bits in it, as with the dracothian guard kit), maybe add a Stormghast mortarch as part of a second triple-mortarch kit (along with Isabella and Khalida, if I had my way), and 'Deathlords' would be a pretty respectably fleshed out mini faction.
     
  9. Menkeroth

    Menkeroth A Knight of Blood

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  10. Oppenheimer

    Oppenheimer Crypt Horror

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    I would disagree that dying in the the end times matters much. Drycha died and is back before the end and everyone else died in the final scene.
    I agree that Mannfred was in deathwalker because I couldn't find another place for him. Where would you put him?
     
  11. Menkeroth

    Menkeroth A Knight of Blood

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    He is a vampire. ;)
     
  12. Malisteen

    Malisteen Vampire Count True Blood

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    Leave all the mortarchs in deathlords, I'd associate them with other subfactions thematically, but not actually shift them into those subfactions. Mannfred would obviously be associated with soulblight. Neferata could be, too, no reason they couldn't share, or she could be associated with a revised tomb king faction, or, like Arkhan, just stick to deathlords.
     
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  13. Malisteen

    Malisteen Vampire Count True Blood

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    For anyone whose assembled mortarch kits as Mannfred or Arkhan, if you have spares left over of the bits for neferata's steed's head that you're not planning on using for anything, I'm looking for them for a unit conversion project (link). Shoot me a private message if you might be interested in some sort of bits exchange.

    Actually, I could use a spare of arkhan's steed's head as well if anyone has that, too.
     
  14. Alabaster427

    Alabaster427 Minister of Thriftiness True Blood

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    Put Arkhan and Neferata into TK. lol Let Neferata/Khalida and Arkhan/Settra hash it out.
     
  15. Malisteen

    Malisteen Vampire Count True Blood

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    Neferata & Khalida kind of hashed it out already. I'd be more interested in seeing them as friends or at least friendly rivals, last real heirs of their old civilization - or at least the last who hadn't deliberately set out to destroy it, last who might be interested in trying to rebuild something in its memory. Let the characters change and grow a bit.
     
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  16. Baeltor

    Baeltor Zombie

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    I like the idea of Nef out of the 3. The model, once I ditch that huge headress looks nice.

    Though I still favor Vlad most of all.
     
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  17. grawhill

    grawhill Zombie

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    arkhan this is my favorite
     
  18. Unas the slayer

    Unas the slayer Grave Guard

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    with 7,6,6 votes, it seems there's not an overall favorite Mortarch...
    which tells about the fact that each one of them got its own peculiar style, suited for different tastes.
     
  19. Menkeroth

    Menkeroth A Knight of Blood

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    Which should be obvious. GW has done good job on them and in creating different characters, no clones as before.
     
  20. horrid

    horrid Zombie

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    I voted Neferata. Arkhan is the eternal servant; Nagash's Grand Vizier. He could have all all the raw power of his master but it would never belong to him. He autonomy always seemed in question as though he were a puppet doing Nagash's will.

    Mannfred is another shadow of a greater power. Maybe it isn't that he is a minion of Vlad but that the Von Carstein as a whole simply aren't as much unless they are together. Collectively the Von Carstein bloodline feel like a love letter to a Hammer or Corman monster movie where the various vampire stories mesh with the tragic house of Usher. I really like them but Mannfred isn't enough by himself. For all the cunning he allegedly demonstrated over the years he seemed to exercise some pretty terrible judgement leading up to the end of the world.

    I find Neferata the most interesting of the three. The eternal queen who has her finger in all of the nations. A supernatural spymaster in the Old World and pragmatic enough to build alliances when required in the next. So much more interesting than a servant or a thwarted conqueror.
     

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