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I have to say I like the fell bats, they have access to the hunger, additionally if they kill a model (in any phase so it sounds fine with new necormancer dance) they get extra attacks until the end of the battle, also the fact that they are battleline in the legion of night with their ability to charge in the opponent's turn and then be able to escape and charge once again it sounds like fun jumping on the battlefield :D.
 
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Count michael I wouldn't worry too much about the points increases, as I see it it doesn’t affect list building a lot. However, I do not think a points increase was warranted for Harridans and Hexwraiths. It was not like they were ruining the meta or even performing great at tournaments, so I am confounded as to the reasoning for the change. Especially seeing that Lumineth Sentinels got the same points increase, and god knows that Sentinels are obnoxious.
 

Gederas

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I haven’t had time to properly digest everything, so can someone a bit more equipped tell me if Manfred and Vhordrai are still a worthwhile combo in Kastelai?
Mannfred got kneecapped, to the point where I'm unsure if running him outside Legion of Night is a good idea or now.

Definitely a lot to digest, but I gotta say: Yay, at least all three unconditional Battleline in the battletome actually have a use and it's not just "use zombies you idiot" anymore 🤣
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Also: I love how Black Knights are, by themselves in a vacuum, terrible. But throw them in with a mounted Wight King....
 

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Gederas I agree that the three battleline units are more distinct now and all worthwhile. I do not agree that Zombies were the only good choice before :)

You don’t like Black Knights on their own? I think they look decent. However they are indeed very good with a Mounted WK 😍

I just noticed that Kritza is summonable, that is a flavourful detail!
 

Gederas

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Gederas I agree that the three battleline units are more distinct now and all worthwhile. I do not agree that Zombies were the only good choice before :)

You don’t like Black Knights on their own? I think they look decent. However they are indeed very good with a Mounted WK 😍

I just noticed that Kritza is summonable, that is a flavourful detail!
My comment on the zombies was most situations where you'd consider the other two battlelines, zombies could also solve outside of "fast objective grabbing". Tanky tarpit? Zombies did it better than skeletons. Large amounts of damage? Zombies

And it's more that Black Knights in the 2e battletome weren't that good (how many points drops again?) and the new one seems to keep that, but their points went up 😂. But their synergy with a Wight King now makes them go from "meh" to "wow these are great"
 
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Belladamma Voltaire

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Having watched the Tabletop tactics battle report on YouTube and AoS Coach's breakdown of the book along with reading the Imgur leak, I've drawn a few conclusions and thoughts on the book and decided to rise from my grave to share them:-

1. The level of regen in the army now is such that I don't foresee any situation where I would reinforce anything other than Skeletons and Grave Guard.

2. We've never been more mobile. Vampire heroes and Wight Kings being summonable means we basically have the tools to devestate the gallet champ meta through bringing back heroes and if you build around this it can be oppressive.

3. There are a lot of builds we can make from this book. Buff bouncing Kastelai, a Vyrkos horde of heroes and wolves, legion of blood black knight spam for a different kind of cavalry force.

4. Nagash may have been rewritten just for us. There is going to be a build made around him and throwing around summonable pieces with the extra resurrection chance he brings allowing for exploitation of a lot of the new keywords and mechanics.

These are only my initial thoughts but this is just from scratching the surface and not taking the artefacts in to consideration.
 

Kiba

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Jun 20, 2013
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Cado being an unaligned vampire hero means he can benefit from the Legion of Blood abilities!
It's still on its warscroll in the bolded text at the start. He can't get any subfaction

On whole other subject, odd that it will be faq, but the vrykos ability that bring D3 model in a deadwalker unit, and above starting size, as it's written right now work on the korsagi nightguard. Witch would make them a LOOOOT better (especialy since they work with the beast now)

And if not a mistake, hell how will we get some :D (time to convert I suppose ^^)
 
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Oh yeah, getting d3 extra korsargi every turn is probably not what they intended. 😄

Oh and Crimson Feast is no longer a Command Ability! +1 attack and All-out Attack, yes please!
 
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Belladamma Voltaire

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I just double checked and stand corrected on Cado!

I clocked the Kosargi night guard buff you can do which proccing off the Beast creates a whole new list potential for a slow build bomb when combined with a Mortis Engine.
 

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Yeah the Mortis Engine looks interesting. I really like the new warscroll but I am unsure if is cheap enough. But points can always be adjusted.
 

Sception

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i dont like the new mortis engine so much. the reliquary ability is pointless. when will this ever be within 6" of multiple enemy units during *your* hero phase? imo, almost never. the rest of what it does surely isn't worth the price they've slapped on it.
 

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I don't care much for the reliquary either but you are underestimating the big range buff to the Wail and the effectiveness of Nexus of Death Energy.

The points cost for the ME is probably a bit high, but that doesn’t change the actual warscroll.

I think it will see a bit of play, especially if they drop it a bit in points.

Maybe I can even go back to my dreaded 8th edition Dual Engine lists 😇.
 
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Gederas

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Ironically, all these changes mean is I need to get at least two Corpse Carts (currently have 0, one for each equipment) and one of each of the Palanquin models so I can have every unit for list build crunching. As those are the only units I don't have currently (well, that and Grave Guard with shields, but I'm kind of unsure on them now?)
 
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Ironically, all these changes mean is I need to get at least two Corpse Carts (currently have 0, one for each equipment) and one of each of the Palanquin models so I can have every unit for list build crunching. As those are the only units I don't have currently (well, that and Grave Guard with shields, but I'm kind of unsure on them now?)
Sounds like have a great collection!
 
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Gederas

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As a side note:
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Good to see Ivya is actually pretty conducive to converting with the way her parts are set up. As soon as I saw her, I thought of using her to make something like Ulrika as she appears in Total War: Warhammer 3
 

Sception

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1 level of regen in the army now is such that I don't foresee any situation where I would reinforce anything other than Skeletons and Grave Guard.

I could see reinforcing zombies. if they survive a round of combat you can get some healing in which means more chances to proc mortals when they do die, and a bigger unit when they respawn after death.

I know zombies are super dowgraded from what they were, but I've often looked at the obr crematorian subfaction and said "this ability would be amazing on some cheap trash unit like zombies", and here we are. so not as good as they were, and they no longer benefit from offensive buffs like they used to so it's harder to build around them. but I could definitely see a couple units of 40 thrown in to an army that uses monster heroes & vampire units as their main offensive pieces.

I also feel like a lot of people are underrating neferata? between the redeploy, the speed, the passive aura, the spell, on a double caster w/ decent attack and great self healing, she's very good.

LoBlood, w/ nef, VLoZD, a couple units of blood knights, and like 3x40 zombies might be something? maybe?
 

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Sception I agree Neffy is seems really strong and I will probably have to get hold of the model now 😅

Unas the slayer yup, it seems to be quite strong if you can keep it in combat and the Hunger is an incentive to not go first with it, although that is risky.

MTD I will!

Edit: Oh, and by the way, those Korsagi Nightguard have been working on their cardio - 8" are quite impressive! I wonder if it is a misprint...

Edit Edit: And I just re-read the Vanhel's Danse Macabre spell on the Necromancer... I think he just got really good with Grave Guards. <3
 
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