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Gederas

Grave Guard
Jun 15, 2021
208
Rhode Island
In my recent playthrough I found the wound for wound The Hunger heal and Black Knights MWs are very powerful so this doesn't surprise me very much. That said I don't play competitively so don't take my word for it.
Yeah, my first time using Chadukar the BEAST I made my opponent very annoyed because Radukar. Just. Wouldn't. Die due to the Hunger healing him back to full wounds every single round 🤣

Karlina von Carstein
Only for warhammer+ subscribers
This got me to do an annual sub to Warhammer+
 

El Syf

Vargheist
Dec 4, 2011
652
Eastbourne
The thing is, we don’t really need more options for vampire lords on foot do we? I get this is for warhammer plus subscribers but when we already have the generic vl, Cado, all of the crimson court models and all the named Vykros foot characters it seems a bit overkill. Still don’t understand why we don’t have a mounted vampire lords but hey.
 
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Oppenheimer

Varghulf
May 26, 2013
751
I totally agree. I can't believe I'm saying this but enough Vampires. Or at least vampire lords on foot. Counting using the Crimson Court as VLs as well we have more than you are even allowed to field in one army. I'd much rather have some mounted vampire lords if we're going down that route. Coven throne is great, more along those lines would be my preference. But, I guess larger miniatures like that wouldn't fit with Warhammer+. That's actually fine. I really don't want to subscribe to Warhammer+. It's just all 40K nonsense. They're pushing it so hard and that just makes me want to deal with it less.
 
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Sception

Master Necromancer
True Blood
Sep 23, 2009
2,739
I like the vampire well enough and will be picking it up even though another foot vampire model is the last thing I need for my collection.

In the mean time, I'm more excited about the recent rumour engine:

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Very clearly something undead, and while more FEC stuff would be exciting in itself, that doesn't look like a Flesh Eater Courts wing to me.
It that looks more like..

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Yeah, at the risk of counting unhatched chickens, that looks like a morghast's wing to me. The tattered flesh over boney finters is exactly the same. And note in particular that only the upper spines/fingers are shown, the lower spines, were on the existing morghasts spirit tendrils support them, are cropped out.

Could OBR be getting a new Morghast unit for the Dawnbringer campaign? Might we even be seeing the 'morghast hero' that's been fairly high in my own wish lists since before OBR were even a thing? Granted, I would be more excited for Mortek Archers or a sphinx-style centerpiece monster with options for morteks or a liege to ride it. But still, new Morghasts of any sort would be cool to see.
 

El Syf

Vargheist
Dec 4, 2011
652
Eastbourne
I almost spat my coffee out when I saw that! As you say it’s pretty much exactly the same and a morghast hero would be absolutely awesome. Reading the warscrolls they have currently though I feel like they got worse with the new book? Not much reason to take them over stalkers is there?
 

Sception

Master Necromancer
True Blood
Sep 23, 2009
2,739
The signature rules differentiating harbingers from archai aren't great, but the general morghast rules are alright imo, at least since their points came down in the last battle scroll. Compared to stalkers at the same points they effectively give up some durability (-3 wounds per batch) and some hitting power (equivalent to -3 attacks with precision aspect) in exchange for 2" reach, +4" move, flight, and an aura that completely blocks out enemy command abilities. Both stalkers and Morghasts can be battleline fairly easily. At first the tradeoff of damage and durability for maneuverability and anti-CA tech looks reasonable, especially with how effective anti-CA tech is against OBR and how common the mirror match is these days. To me what tips the scales against Morghasts when compared to Stalkers and immortis is that mortarchs and boneshapers can return slain stalkers and immortis to their units, albeit unreliably, while they can only heal injured morghasts, they can't return slain ones to the board.

Since their points decrease it wouldn't take much to tip that scale, though. We're expecting more OBR nerfs in the next battlescroll, possibly as soon as September, since their competitive win rate still remains well above the target threshhold despite the previous nerfs. I wouldn't be shocked to see points increases for both immortis and stalkers, possibly up to as much as 240 per batch for each. If Morghasts remain at 220, or even go down from there, then we might start seeing them.

Though with further nerfs and points increases in the faction we might see less of OBR altogether. Then again, I was pessimistic after the previous battlescroll, and that proved wholly unfounded as the bonereapers kept right on steamrolling Andtor like nothing ever happened, so my predictions should absolutely be taken with an extra helping of salt.

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As for the prospect of a morghast hero, that's far from confirmed. The picture certainly looks like a morghast wing, but it could be a lot of things, and even if it is a morghast it might just be new models for the existing morghasts, or a new morghast unit that obsoletes rather than buffing the existing versions. If it is a Morghast hero that might encourages fielding them if it supports or buffs the existing units, but if it's just an individual tough fighty guy with the anti-CA aura then it would likely end up being an alternative to the existing morghast units rather than something you run with them. Even in the best case scenario - a morghast hero that is worth running on its own BUT ALSO makes other morghast units better, I'm still not sure how much of a competitive impact it would make at the moment. After all, a morghast hero is relatively unlikely to be an Andtoran Locus, as it probably wouldn't be a spellcaster, and even if it were it might have too many wounds. As long as the current season lasts, competitive OBR lists are unlikely to run heroes that aren't Katakros, Arkhan, or Locuses.

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But that's neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned. GHB seasons don't last forever, and we're likely less than a year away from 4th edition, so I'm not too worried about rules and points and balance and such. My interest in a morghast hero has always been more aesthetic. It would look cool, it would add cool new variety to our hero lineup, it's just a neat idea.
 
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Sception

Master Necromancer
True Blood
Sep 23, 2009
2,739
re the warhammer+ vampire lord guy, this is one case where I wouldn't want to see a mounted vampire lord, as that isn't an option I'd want restricted to such an expensive subscruption package. it's for the best that warhammer+ be cool but also totally redundant models that don't actually add anything meaningful to the game itself.
 

Raven Torrid

Moderator
Staff member
Sep 3, 2011
577
Croatia
The Vampire Counts are finally getting a reVamped (ba-dum-tss) team in the new edition of Blood Bowl! 🥳🧛‍♂️ I am pretty pleased with them. Blood Bowl teams are kinda hit-or-miss in terms of design for me, so I'm glad these are on the hit side! I decided to wait for the official release before deciding if I'll be converting the VC team from scratch or getting an official one...that was a long wait. I will most probably be getting these and spicing them up with Blood Knights bits for some added oomph and variety.

Also, as always, great value and a lot of potential bits to use for other AoS projects!

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The Sun King

Moderator
Staff member
True Blood
Aug 22, 2012
4,995
Copenhagen
The Vampire Counts are finally getting a reVamped (ba-dum-tss) team in the new edition of Blood Bowl! 🥳🧛‍♂️ I am pretty pleased with them. Blood Bowl teams are kinda hit-or-miss in terms of design for me, so I'm glad these are on the hit side! I decided to wait for the official release before deciding if I'll be converting the VC team from scratch or getting an official one...that was a long wait. I will most probably be getting these and spicing them up with Blood Knights bits for some added oomph and variety.

Also, as always, great value and a lot of potential bits to use for other AoS projects!

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This set I am hyped for as it is just a tresure trove of conversion options!
 

Gederas

Grave Guard
Jun 15, 2021
208
Rhode Island
The Vampire Counts are finally getting a reVamped (ba-dum-tss) team in the new edition of Blood Bowl! 🥳🧛‍♂️ I am pretty pleased with them. Blood Bowl teams are kinda hit-or-miss in terms of design for me, so I'm glad these are on the hit side! I decided to wait for the official release before deciding if I'll be converting the VC team from scratch or getting an official one...that was a long wait. I will most probably be getting these and spicing them up with Blood Knights bits for some added oomph and variety.
And a brute and two Star players too!

Vargheist
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‘Captain’ Karina von Riesz
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Count Luthor von Drakenborg (returning to miniature form after 20 years!)
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The Vargheist is DEFINITELY interesting to me
 

Raven Torrid

Moderator
Staff member
Sep 3, 2011
577
Croatia
He's great indeed, one of the best, if not the best rework of the classic Star Player sculpts! I only wish Star Players were plastic and not resin...
 

MTD

Zombie
Aug 31, 2022
35
Points nerf has gone in as expected. +30 for zombies ouch.
Yeah, big ouch! Well regarding the Vampire win rate, the points does feel reasonable. But im sad at the same time, last month I managed to make a decent list with Nagash and a 60 zombies, Vampire lord Necro and 3 endlessspells. and with these points and changes, Nagash again feels hard to build a list arround :(
 
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Master Necromancer
True Blood
Sep 23, 2009
2,739
with these points and changes, Nagash again feels hard to build a list around :(
I'd blame that more on Nagash still being fairly dramatically overpriced, which imo is still the case. The fact that Nagash + zombies seemed even vaguely viable with Nagash costing as much as he does for the current warscroll is, if anything, just more evidence of how underpointed zombies were. :p

As I mentioned in the other thread, I'm no competitive expert, but I look at everything 2 units of 40 zombies (plus 2 units of 20 later) can do on the table and I can't say that 600 points feels like an unreasonable asking price, or that 1400 points left over doesn't seem like enough to build a viable army around that core.
 
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Master Necromancer
True Blood
Sep 23, 2009
2,739
I didn't notice it posted earlier, so I thought I'd mention that the Warhammer + vampire does have an alternate, helmetless head, albeit one with a distinct case of hat hair from their double-horned helm.

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Oppenheimer

Varghulf
May 26, 2013
751
The hair is fine, I don't love it but don't hate it. But, I don't much care for the expression. The expression with the helmet is way better. That said, it's not like you'd be able to make out facial details like that if I painted it anyway 😅
 
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Master Necromancer
True Blood
Sep 23, 2009
2,739
the unpainted face is photographed from a lower angle. I'd bet the face is actually the same on both bits.
 
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Master Necromancer
True Blood
Sep 23, 2009
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as usual i doubt existing players of these factions need more of any of these units, but they're pretty solid options for anyone looking to start one of these factions from scratch, price depending.
 
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