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Tal Rasha

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#26
No, oddly enough it's not magical (even though her melee attacks are...). And yes, it's totally worth it. I've taken out a whole unit of chosen knights and pegasus knights with it, not to mention war machine crew.
 

Tal Rasha

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#27
Disciple of Nagash said:
Based on the wording, I would agree that the Banshee Scream would not be affected be the Doom and Darkness spell as the Scream is not a Leadership Test, but a leadership based attack.
It's a LD test, so it works. You can also use your general's LD to defend against it. Check out the TK FAQ - the Casket of Souls works the same way, and they consider it a LD test.
 

Lord Fear

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#28
No, they do not consider it a test in the FAQ, or anywhere else. Being able to use the general's Leadership has nothing to do with whether it's a test. Nowhere is the Banshee's scream (Or Casket's attack) described as being a leadership test, so it is only a leadership-based attack. Unfortunately.
 

N1AK

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#29
I think EvC is right regarding the Scream. Although it works similiarily to a LD test there is nothing in the rules saying it is. I think a good comparison is the Slaanesh magic spells that work by causing LD tests, and specifically call them LD tests.
If the Banshee's Scream was "Target must take Leadership Test at -2LD, and suffers a number of wounds equal to how much they fail by with no armour saves allowed" then it would of course be a LD test.
 

Grish

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#30
Tests are taken by the owner of the models; the banshee owner rolls the dice in this case. Banshee screams are definitely an attack.
 

Lord Fear

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#31
Yep. I argued long and hard in the past that the banshee scream was a test of some sort, but I had to acknowledge that it was only an attack eventually.
 

Tal Rasha

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#32
I'm sorry, I hate to argue this, but you're wrong. Here's a quote from the TK Faq:

"Q. Can you use the general’s Ld (if in 12" range) when
determining the number of wounds from the Casket?
A. Yes. For all purposes, a unit’s Ld is equal to the
general’s if he’s in 12" range."

This would obviously apply to banshees as well. It doesn't matter whether the scream is an attack, a special form of LD test, or whatever. They get to use the general's LD.
 

Grish

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#33
We're not disputing that. We're saying it's an attack rather than a leadership based test; thus, Doom and Darkness does not apply. That is the only point of contention.

Leadership based test and leadership based attack are different; for Doom and Darkness (possibly others I'm not aware of.

They definitely can use the Generals leadership when 'defending' from the banshees attack.
 
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#34
They're not wrong at all! They've agreed all along that you can use general's leadership. But stop letting it confuse into thinking it's a "leadership test" just because it uses a leadership value. Like they said, it's an attack based off of the opponents leadership, and has nothing to do with psychology or panic or break tests or anything... it just kills low leadership stuff better
 
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