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crumble / standard / victorypoints


Vampire Count
Apr 10, 2013
I'm pretty sure the only time you can capture a standard is from a fleeing unit. If you kill them to a man, either through crumble or good old-fashioned stabbing, then the banner is just lost.
Dec 14, 2012
Pg.143 small rulebook "Seized Standards...for every enemy standard bearer that was removed due to the Last Stand rule, or was slain in close combat (remember this can only happen once the rest of his unit except the champion are dead)"

It only happens in close combat but it can be captured if the standard bearer actually dies, so the standard is captured from slaying them (but not from shooting them to death) although I have no idea how it is effected by crumbling.
Jan 25, 2012
Fodderboy said:
If they crumble due to combat/combat rez, the banner is yours.
First I am confused by the wording. Do you mean the banner counts or doesn't count toward VP?
If it doesn't count,
Can anyone second this?
I am not so sure. If so, it's news to me.
Wouldn't be the first time :clown: