Dealing with: Skullcrushers
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Been facing these myself lately. On the weekend, my mate used Doom & Darkness and a Terrorgheist to take down a unit of 3 in 1 turn. :)
Also, Crypt Horrors can receive a charge from them and not give up too much CR. Skullcrushers have poor Static Combat Res, so get some rank or flank bonuses to break them once they're tied up.
Also, Frenzy means you can bait them VERY easily. Put a unit of bats at their extreme charge range, just inside their charge arc. They will sometimes fail their test and go nowhere.
But all this is situational. They're tough to deal with. :/
Also, Crypt Horrors can receive a charge from them and not give up too much CR. Skullcrushers have poor Static Combat Res, so get some rank or flank bonuses to break them once they're tied up.
Also, Frenzy means you can bait them VERY easily. Put a unit of bats at their extreme charge range, just inside their charge arc. They will sometimes fail their test and go nowhere.
But all this is situational. They're tough to deal with. :/
Blutsauger
Vampire Count
- Apr 10, 2013
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@Seneschal, any cw player in his right mind will give gist skullcrushers ensorcelled weapons so yeah they have magical attacks.
I was thinking a forbidden lore vampire on metal with searing doom. He would earn his points back pretty quickly against a chaos warrior army. i don't tend to use TGs, i fill my rare with casket and heirotitan as i play a fairly summoning heavy game and want that magic support.
I was thinking a forbidden lore vampire on metal with searing doom. He would earn his points back pretty quickly against a chaos warrior army. i don't tend to use TGs, i fill my rare with casket and heirotitan as i play a fairly summoning heavy game and want that magic support.
Archamedius
Grave Guard
- Jul 25, 2014
- 265
I would think that is a serious waste of points. There are really only two spells that would help you against skull crushers in the metal list. And both are easily dispelled. The rest of the lore is somewhat situational. Enchanted blades is really good, transmutation of lead and Glittering Robes can be good, but are. Plague of Rust is about useless as it directly conflicts with Searing Doom and Golden Hounds (reducing armor makes those spells more difficult to wound) and final transmuatation is very situational. It works great against horde infantry units, but is rather underwhelming for the casting cost and results. Still, its probably one of the cheapest # 6 spells of any of the lores.
I think for VC, you are much better abusing the LD 8 of the unit with screams, or using hexwraiths and their fly over attack. Or feed it successive units of spirit hosts or dire wolves to keep it locked in a corner away from your army.
John Rainbow
Crypt Horror
Just a quick little point here, I'm pretty sure that the lore attribute says you wound the enemy on their unmodified armour saves. Plague of rust gives a permanent modifier to the save but it is ignored by searing doom.
I don't have the book anywhere around to check but I think that's right.
Demian
Vampire Count
- Oct 28, 2011
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You are right! It does say unmodified armor save (even though some equipment modify the original armor save, but it clears it up with the example of a heavily armored knight riding on a barded horse being 2+)
So.. Lore of Metal? still viable! Too bad that Asaph archers don't benefit from Enchanted Blades, but Grave Guard does! Skellies can benefit from Glittering Robe. Transmutation of Lead is the worst we can use. Also, casting Plague of Rust on a Daemon Prince several times (1-3) makes him very vulnerable to ghoul/crypt Horror's attacks.
Warriors of Chaos < Terrorgheist
That's the truth of it, although infernal cannons can cause some damage. Yep, apply a V. Lord or flank them with cavalry of your own. It doesn't matter if they have ensorcelled weapons or not... the beasts themselves are Daemonic, and have magical attacks (and hit very very hard).
Fell Bats and Dire Wolves can keep those dudes busy all day and away from the battle until you can destroy them.
This is the very example of "we don't win by overpowering, we win by cunning" that our army has to offer.
So.. Lore of Metal? still viable! Too bad that Asaph archers don't benefit from Enchanted Blades, but Grave Guard does! Skellies can benefit from Glittering Robe. Transmutation of Lead is the worst we can use. Also, casting Plague of Rust on a Daemon Prince several times (1-3) makes him very vulnerable to ghoul/crypt Horror's attacks.
Warriors of Chaos < Terrorgheist
That's the truth of it, although infernal cannons can cause some damage. Yep, apply a V. Lord or flank them with cavalry of your own. It doesn't matter if they have ensorcelled weapons or not... the beasts themselves are Daemonic, and have magical attacks (and hit very very hard).
Fell Bats and Dire Wolves can keep those dudes busy all day and away from the battle until you can destroy them.
This is the very example of "we don't win by overpowering, we win by cunning" that our army has to offer.
Best bet is to apply some redirectors I.e. bats, wolves, etc.. Force him to overrun showing you his flank. Then hit him with just about anything. Profit.
About a prior post in this thread, not all WoC players use ensorcelled weapons. They can be a liability with that Banner of the World Dragon running around.
Also, as Seneschal said, run through them with Hexies. Should kill one a turn. And if you VHDM too, you can kill more!
About a prior post in this thread, not all WoC players use ensorcelled weapons. They can be a liability with that Banner of the World Dragon running around.
Also, as Seneschal said, run through them with Hexies. Should kill one a turn. And if you VHDM too, you can kill more!
Alabaster427
Minister of Thriftiness
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I had a unit of direwolves kill a skullcrusher once (not the whole unit, just one model) while on the flank. His reaction was similar to the original post. TGs will deal about 5 wounds on average if it has full wounds. There's nothing like a boxcar scream, regardless of what you're screaming at.
HERO
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Alabaster427
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I recommend topical application, twice daily or until symptoms no longer persist. If your combat phase lasts more then 2 turns, consult your Necromancer immediately.
Redirect with dire wolf units. With frenzy they have to overrun, so its really easy to lead them around. Do similar tricks with fell bat units. Get them in a good position and move the hexwraiths thru the crushers, should hurt them pretty bad. Then follow up with a scream or two :). They are a major threat from the Warriors so don't be afraid to focus fire on them to take them down.
You could also just continue to feed them our rediculously cheap chaff and deal with the rest of the army.
I have found the trick to facing warriors is focus fire. With multi-wound units like crushers you need multiple options lined up to garuntee you kill them.
You could also just continue to feed them our rediculously cheap chaff and deal with the rest of the army.
I have found the trick to facing warriors is focus fire. With multi-wound units like crushers you need multiple options lined up to garuntee you kill them.
Yeah, Obsidian Blade is actually better than Ogre Blade against 1+ saves. With re-rolls and Red Fury, a Blender Lord will do 3.67 unsaved wounds against the Skullcrushers with Ogre Blade, but 4.71 with Obsidian Blade! But most people won't use it, as Strength 7 with a -4 armour save is normally more useful than Strength 5 with no armour save.
Terrorgheist is the way to go. Another game against Warriors on the weekend saw mine take out a Gorebeast Chariot, 3 Skullcrushers and a bunch of Tzeentch Warriors! If they don't have Hellcannons or Infernal Gateway, you can fly it anywhere you need it. :)
Terrorgheist is the way to go. Another game against Warriors on the weekend saw mine take out a Gorebeast Chariot, 3 Skullcrushers and a bunch of Tzeentch Warriors! If they don't have Hellcannons or Infernal Gateway, you can fly it anywhere you need it. :)
