Ok...so fed up with being told my wins are all due to being undead, unbreakable, and OP ( Yawn ) I decided to grab a challenging army. So I looked into and bought the new beastmen. That all being said, Look at my records for the year so far and you can tell that I dont play an over the top army..competative maybe but not OP.
* Because of this my Vampire Lord model glares at me anytime I touch the new book * :|
SO here are some thoughts based on a game I had with my roomie and his lizards, Granted I tokd him NOT to take a Super heavy style list cause I wanted, to just run this army through the ringer once so keep that in mind.
HE brought roughly,
2 Stegs, one Engine and one normal with Bow
20 Saurus block
15 Skinks X 2
10 Chameloen skinks
2 units of 3 terradons
Sking block with 2 Kroxigors in it
Old Blood Carnasaur ( NOT The Blade though )
I brought
A BeastLord ( S 8 +1 SV )
2 level 2 Shamans ( 3 scrolls and Stone of Spite )
3 Minnos with Champ, Banner, Shields X 2
Wargor BSB with Banner of Manbane
2 X 20 Gors with AHW Champs and Banners
3 X 10 Ungor Raiders, Muscian
2 X 10 Ungor blocks, Musician
Jabber Slythe
10 Harpies with scout.
Now I am not going to give a battle report just some obserrvations...
1 That Beast Lords LD 9 is A MUST !!!! I barely controlled the army with his bubble giving all it got :(
2 The Beastlord can RIP a big target open if you can catch it on the charge. He smashed a Steg easy on his own.
3. Ambush is useful but only in fair amounts and can break you. I had him Marched block first turn and wasnt really ever out manuvered at all
4. NEVER Underestimate the power of Ungor Raiders !! They Wounded the Old Blood more then anything else and helped negate the Terradons. I think these boys will become even MORE prevelant in my list
5. Minnos HAVE TO CHARGE ...iits a must. They cant quite hack it on their own if they get hit first. I dont know is GW is the way to go though..it looks nice on paper, but they are expensive W4 and T4 doesnt cut it with no armour at all. At least the equivilant Blood Knights are SV 2 with some Ward if wanted. Maybe AHW would be better sine you REALL want those attacks to rack up.
6. Harpies may be redundant except for a Dragon holder/ diverter. The Raiders did the same job, for much less ! with some shooting thrown in.
7. Jabberslythes if deployed well and used very carefully can just punish lone characters and small units. Were it not for Lizzie coldblooded Id have taken about 10 percent of his army with the Jabber alone.
8. Bait and flee works..but be prepared to lose the fleeing unit. They just wont rally if they run far...12 LD bubble from the Beast Lord couldnt help enough..
10. If you do take some magic..the Lore of death does VERY well. The Fear Causeing spell saved me bacon.
Now all this is based on a Loss ( SV to him ) but I had alot of stuff just panic and run from botched Terror and failinig to Rally. Still even so I managed to get a steg, wound the Old Blood, Wipe out the Kroxi/Skink Unit and Get me some Terradons. High point of the Game ? My Ungor Raiders causing wounds to a Steg and The Old blood ! :clown:
Low Point ? My BSB Fled from a Steg charge and moved the Steg into a GREAT Spot for a Flanking assult by the Minnos, Problem ? HE never Rallied !! Ran smooth off the table without so much as flinging harsh language at the enemy !:devil:
Anyway, this may all be useless to some of the people here, and probably seems disconjointed at best. But Carpe Noctem is my home, and the VC are my babies I wanted to express my thoughts to the fine gentleman here far more then other sites. Hope this was at least entertaining.
* Because of this my Vampire Lord model glares at me anytime I touch the new book * :|
SO here are some thoughts based on a game I had with my roomie and his lizards, Granted I tokd him NOT to take a Super heavy style list cause I wanted, to just run this army through the ringer once so keep that in mind.
HE brought roughly,
2 Stegs, one Engine and one normal with Bow
20 Saurus block
15 Skinks X 2
10 Chameloen skinks
2 units of 3 terradons
Sking block with 2 Kroxigors in it
Old Blood Carnasaur ( NOT The Blade though )
I brought
A BeastLord ( S 8 +1 SV )
2 level 2 Shamans ( 3 scrolls and Stone of Spite )
3 Minnos with Champ, Banner, Shields X 2
Wargor BSB with Banner of Manbane
2 X 20 Gors with AHW Champs and Banners
3 X 10 Ungor Raiders, Muscian
2 X 10 Ungor blocks, Musician
Jabber Slythe
10 Harpies with scout.
Now I am not going to give a battle report just some obserrvations...
1 That Beast Lords LD 9 is A MUST !!!! I barely controlled the army with his bubble giving all it got :(
2 The Beastlord can RIP a big target open if you can catch it on the charge. He smashed a Steg easy on his own.
3. Ambush is useful but only in fair amounts and can break you. I had him Marched block first turn and wasnt really ever out manuvered at all
4. NEVER Underestimate the power of Ungor Raiders !! They Wounded the Old Blood more then anything else and helped negate the Terradons. I think these boys will become even MORE prevelant in my list
5. Minnos HAVE TO CHARGE ...iits a must. They cant quite hack it on their own if they get hit first. I dont know is GW is the way to go though..it looks nice on paper, but they are expensive W4 and T4 doesnt cut it with no armour at all. At least the equivilant Blood Knights are SV 2 with some Ward if wanted. Maybe AHW would be better sine you REALL want those attacks to rack up.
6. Harpies may be redundant except for a Dragon holder/ diverter. The Raiders did the same job, for much less ! with some shooting thrown in.
7. Jabberslythes if deployed well and used very carefully can just punish lone characters and small units. Were it not for Lizzie coldblooded Id have taken about 10 percent of his army with the Jabber alone.
8. Bait and flee works..but be prepared to lose the fleeing unit. They just wont rally if they run far...12 LD bubble from the Beast Lord couldnt help enough..
10. If you do take some magic..the Lore of death does VERY well. The Fear Causeing spell saved me bacon.
Now all this is based on a Loss ( SV to him ) but I had alot of stuff just panic and run from botched Terror and failinig to Rally. Still even so I managed to get a steg, wound the Old Blood, Wipe out the Kroxi/Skink Unit and Get me some Terradons. High point of the Game ? My Ungor Raiders causing wounds to a Steg and The Old blood ! :clown:
Low Point ? My BSB Fled from a Steg charge and moved the Steg into a GREAT Spot for a Flanking assult by the Minnos, Problem ? HE never Rallied !! Ran smooth off the table without so much as flinging harsh language at the enemy !:devil:
Anyway, this may all be useless to some of the people here, and probably seems disconjointed at best. But Carpe Noctem is my home, and the VC are my babies I wanted to express my thoughts to the fine gentleman here far more then other sites. Hope this was at least entertaining.