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Fixing Fear
- Thread starter Vipoid
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I don't know if it needs a buff, but it needs to be priced appropriately. Part of the problem with Vampires in 8th edition is that they don't benefit from many of the perks of being alive, their BSB is crap, and the benefits of fear are minimal. So Skeletons losing combat still crumble like they used to, get stuff all benefit from having a BSB nearby, and even if my opponent fails his fear test (On re-rollable LD10? Yeah, right) who cares?
But skeletons (and many other units) aren't priced with that taken fully into consideration. Either Fear needs a buff, or the Undead rules need tweaking, or the prices need adjusting.
Personally, I think the best option is to re-work the Undead rule, so that Undead units are simply unbreakable with the caveat that any unit starting it's turn more than 12" from a wizard using the lore of Vampires (or 18" from the General) takes crumble tests.
But skeletons (and many other units) aren't priced with that taken fully into consideration. Either Fear needs a buff, or the Undead rules need tweaking, or the prices need adjusting.
Personally, I think the best option is to re-work the Undead rule, so that Undead units are simply unbreakable with the caveat that any unit starting it's turn more than 12" from a wizard using the lore of Vampires (or 18" from the General) takes crumble tests.
Really? BBB at least a chaos warrior won't mess around, if he is going to kill something he will just thrust it with a sword or other weapon and kill it as efficiently as possible. Now think of zombies, a mass of writhing, rotting flesh. You try to fight but there are too many, the weight is bearing you down, you can see hands coming towards your face. Your screams are muffled by the sheer amount of bodies as chipped, decaying fingers pry into your eye sockets. You see no more but you can feel the agony as the claws hook around your eye sockets and start wrenching and pulling. Simultaneously a hand is shoved in your mouth and desperately tries to reach your brain through the roof of your mouth. Then, a sickening crack and your skull is torn in two pieces and the feast begins.
Yes, Warriors of Chaos have every right to fear the undead, especially if they know what is going to happen to them.
As for the rule it should give a -1 ld 6" bubble around the unit. That plus tests are not rerollable. So you can still pass it but not as often. As for effects they are the same, 1ws for failed unit.
Yes, Warriors of Chaos have every right to fear the undead, especially if they know what is going to happen to them.
As for the rule it should give a -1 ld 6" bubble around the unit. That plus tests are not rerollable. So you can still pass it but not as often. As for effects they are the same, 1ws for failed unit.
That's what Leadership is supposed to (and so manifestly fails to) represent.
A Chaos Warrior can feel fear, but his high leadership indicates that he's very unlikely to be frightened.
The trouble is, right now, almost everything in the game is exactly as brave as everything else - and that is magnificently, nigh unshakably brave.
Fear is fine, it's courage that's borked.
A Chaos Warrior can feel fear, but his high leadership indicates that he's very unlikely to be frightened.
The trouble is, right now, almost everything in the game is exactly as brave as everything else - and that is magnificently, nigh unshakably brave.
Fear is fine, it's courage that's borked.
Fear could work with this simple fix.
Fear: When engaged in close combat with an opponent that causes fear, the unit may not gain the Steadfast rule.
Terror: When charged by, or charging a Terror causing unit roll a leadership test. if failed the unit does not count any rank bonuses. Terror causing units also cause fear.
Fear: When engaged in close combat with an opponent that causes fear, the unit may not gain the Steadfast rule.
Terror: When charged by, or charging a Terror causing unit roll a leadership test. if failed the unit does not count any rank bonuses. Terror causing units also cause fear.
