- Oct 11, 2007
Count Flap said:
That's not what the rules say. And the giant's yell and bawl is an attack, and you say they are affected by it. What you mean is cannot be wounded from non-magical sources.
Count Flap said:
They're only affected by Yell and Bawl because that's a CR modifier.
IoN had specific wording in the spell itself that made it clear the intention was to cast into close combat. VHD is very clear on this. IoN was greyer and some people played as if you couldn't. Showing an example of how interpreting RAW lead to an incorrect situation does not rule all RAW is incorrect.
Killing blow allows a ward save. A ward save is taken when you're wounded (unless there's another situation you use your ward save that is not a wound?). Killing blow also requires a roll 'to wound'. To me, its much more clear that killing blow triggers the wounding clause. These attacks do not seem to. It also doesn't say it bypasses armour, regen, and ward saves. Therefore, I'm sure it isn't the same mechanism of killing blow. You just remove the model.
But Yell and Bawl does more than a CR modifier. And it's an attack. So I'm curious; are you applying the full affects of Yell and Bawl, or just the CR?
Another thing. I don't have the WoC book on me, but what do their giants say? They are written specifically for 7th edit, so if their rules are the same, then the argument that they were written for 6th holds no weight.
The Giant can't remove Ethreals from play because he can't grab them. Simple as that. His foot, hand, whatever would pass right through them. If this was not the case than we wouldn't be able to walk through walls.