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As a new member to this forum, I wanted to introduce myself.
I'm a 30-something guy from Norway, who used to collect and play Vampire Counts back in the early 2000's (6th edition WHFB), who recently decided to start back up with collecting and painting skeletons and vampires within the frame work of Age of Sigmar. I'm a Complete newb when it comes to AoS and have only ordered a box with 10 skeletons, so I am a long way from owning a AoS VC army proper. I do not know much about AoS, but I want to build an army that are close to an 6th edition VC army, but who is still compatible with AoS. Any tips you guys and gals can give me to meet this goal will be much appreciated. (Since English is not my first Language, I'm sorry in advance for any grammatical and/or ortographic mistakes).

Best regards from Mr. B.

PS. My real name is not Eduard Bernstein, but as a democratic socialist, I found the name fitting.
 

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Greetings and welcome. Your English seems excellent. I look forward to seeing your army grow :vampire3:

Feel free to check out our painting/modelling challenge Turning the world to darkness if you are so inclined, we are always looking for more participants.
 
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Idea for a cheap and easy to build 1000 Points VC army:

I do not have the LoN book yet, but after searching online I have an idea how many points some of the units and characters cost. The idea here is to assemble an 1000 points army that are relatively cheap ($) and easy to build. I'm not into large peaces (Zombie-dragons and similar), so this list reflects that. I'm also not to concerned if the army is the most competitive out there. Anyway here goes:

Characters/Heroes: 2 Vampires, 1 Necromancer, and 1 Wight king (510 points total if my research is correct).
Units: 10 Skeletons, 10 Grave guards, 5 Black Knights, and 1 Banshee (440 Points in total).
Total points: 950 points.

Is this an okay army to start AoS, or is it totally retarded?
 
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I am not familiar with AoS so can't help but if you post this question in the To War! thread you will likely get the best advice ;)
 

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PS. My real name is not Eduard Bernstein, but as a democratic socialist, I found the name fitting.
Bernstein was a social democrat much more than he was a democratic socialist. Indeed, SPD is one of, if not the, oldest social democratic party in Western Europe and he was one of its founding intellectuals. (I'm a lecturer in Comparative European Politics, so the difference between these two forms of socialism matter to me. Democratic socialism is further to the left than social democracy).

Welcome to the forum :). You have certainly come to the right place for advice and discussion of all things related to Vampire Counts, regardless of which GW game you are playing. I too used to play regularly back in sixth edition and the change to Age of Sigmar will certainly take some getting used to. There are people here who can help you with that though, so enjoy participating in the community here.
 
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Hi Irisado.

I do not tend to make this thread a discussion on socialism and it's derivations, but in my defence in linking Bernstein to the term Democratic Socialism, is that in many ways Social Democrats in the late 19th century and the early 20th Century, where in many ways what we today think of as Democratic Socialists, if one thinks of DemSoc as an slow approach to Socialism with in the framework of Capitalism and Liberal Democracy. On the other hand SocDem's today are no longer socialists and therefor not the same as the SocDems of old, who very much where socialists, even Bernstein. Edited.
 

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Hi Irisado.
I do not tend to make this thread a discussion on socialism and it's derivations, but in my defence in linking Bernstein to the term Democratic Socialism, is that in many ways Social Democrats in the late 19th century and the early 20th Century, where in many ways what we today think of as Democratic Socialists, if one thinks of DemSoc as an slow approach to Socialism with in the framework of Capitalism and Liberal Democracy. On the other hand SocDem's today are no longer socialists and therefor not the same as the SocDems of old, who very much where socialists, even Bernstein. Edited.
I agree with you and please don't mistake my response for criticism, as this was not intended :). I just wanted to ensure clarity. SPD, of course, was one of the earliest social democratic parties to convert to catch all social democracy (i.e. Kirchheimer's Catch All Party thesis), rather than democratic socialism. There is also, as you say, a significant difference between modern social democracy (the third way - Giddens and others) and post-war social democracy.

As for the skeletons, they look very good :).
 
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I agree with you and please don't mistake my response for criticism, as this was not intended :). I just wanted to ensure clarity. SPD, of course, was one of the earliest social democratic parties to convert to catch all social democracy (i.e. Kirchheimer's Catch All Party thesis), rather than democratic socialism. There is also, as you say, a significant difference between modern social democracy (the third way - Giddens and others) and post-war social democracy.

As for the skeletons, they look very good :).

Ha ha, good, and political labels can some times be a bitch due to time and/or place. I hope I did not come off as too defensive :)

And thank you for your comment on the skeletons, that's much appreciated :)
 

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You were definitely not defensive :). It's just great to have the chance to talk about centre-left political parties and their intellectuals, as there are not many opportunities to do that on a wargaming forum :).

Feel free to showcase more of your work in the appropriate painting boards, especially if you have other projects in development that you would like to highlight as they progress.
 
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You were definitely not defensive :). It's just great to have the chance to talk about centre-left political parties and their intellectuals, as there are not many opportunities to do that on a wargaming forum :).

Feel free to showcase more of your work in the appropriate painting boards, especially if you have other projects in development that you would like to highlight as they progress.
I myself enjoy a good discussion about the socialist Labour movement, but I'm not an expert like yourself. When it comes to the European left, I've read one book by the historian Donald Sasson titlet "One hundred years of Socialism". I have read some more about the Norwegian Labour movement, and some original writings by Marx, Proudhon, Bakunin and Bernstein, but more as an interested amatuer and a subjective true believer (As a socialist I guess I lack some objectivity). But I'm always game for a good hearted discussion about everything socialism.

Yhea perhaps I will start an army-building log. I'l guess the next project will be a unit with Grave Guards.
 
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Idea for a cheap and easy to build 1000 Points VC army:

I do not have the LoN book yet, but after searching online I have an idea how many points some of the units and characters cost. The idea here is to assemble an 1000 points army that are relatively cheap ($) and easy to build. I'm not into large peaces (Zombie-dragons and similar), so this list reflects that. I'm also not to concerned if the army is the most competitive out there. Anyway here goes:

Characters/Heroes: 2 Vampires, 1 Necromancer, and 1 Wight king (510 points total if my research is correct).
Units: 10 Skeletons, 10 Grave guards, 5 Black Knights, and 1 Banshee (440 Points in total).
Total points: 950 points.

Is this an okay army to start AoS, or is it totally retarded?

Welcome aboard!

actually, i fear this army will perform poorly. Let me explain.

1) the banshee should be a hero. I don't recall the number of heroes at 1000 pts, but you are sitting at more than half of your points for heroes, even if 5 heroes at playable at 1000 pts ( a thing that i don't remember, sorry)

2) your heroes are not melee monsters. the vampires and the wight king are not that great. We're not talking about a vapire on zombie dragon. However, they give great support abilities…. but this takes us to 2 third problem...

3) LoN works on bodies. Especially with skellies. Flood the battlefield, heal them with gravesites, bring back a unit when wiped away and so on. SO, 1 or 2 small units for objectives and a couple of units max sized, to exploit the buffs given by heroes and play a war of attrition
You have a low number of bodies, so you cannot play our favorite game.

that said, i like very much your skellies. ;)
 
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Welcome aboard!

actually, i fear this army will perform poorly. Let me explain.

1) the banshee should be a hero. I don't recall the number of heroes at 1000 pts, but you are sitting at more than half of your points for heroes, even if 5 heroes at playable at 1000 pts ( a thing that i don't remember, sorry)

2) your heroes are not melee monsters. the vampires and the wight king are not that great. We're not talking about a vapire on zombie dragon. However, they give great support abilities…. but this takes us to 2 third problem...

3) LoN works on bodies. Especially with skellies. Flood the battlefield, heal them with gravesites, bring back a unit when wiped away and so on. SO, 1 or 2 small units for objectives and a couple of units max sized, to exploit the buffs given by heroes and play a war of attrition
You have a low number of bodies, so you cannot play our favorite game.

that said, i like very much your skellies. ;)
Hi Unas.

Thanks for the detailed response and tips for an LoN army.
I think the max limit for heroes for a 1000 points army is 4. I guess I thought a Banshee was single character unit, like it used to be. I guess I'l get a better handle on this when I get the LoN book.

Thanks for your comment on my Skellies btw :)

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