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Morbraelle

Zombie
Jan 5, 2010
27
very true, codex:cryx would be unimaginative and disappointing. Furthermore, since this army will have no official range of products, we are all probably going to be using vastly different models to represent the rules and stats we write up anyway!

I was more meaning to use these models as some basic inspiration for our concepts and aesthetic values. Admittedly, the cryx range of miniatures mix the concepts of undead and technology very well. i have done some very extensive spelunking on the internet, and so far, nothing has come closer to visually representing a fusion of these two concepts.
Ideally, i would love to scratch-build my version of this army with green stuff and plasticard. but realistically i am not up to the challenge. so other than some really extensive scratch-modelling, my only feasible option would be to perform headswaps from vampire counts onto chaos space marines, and then do a lot of customizing to the armor. possible, but i dont think the desired effect would be easily achieved..


other than cryx, anyone have suggestions for other miniature ranges/singles/anything that would look good for our chiro concept?
 

Sanai

Stylish Deviant
True Blood
Oct 30, 2009
5,193
Behind Darvy
How about this.

During the dark age of Technology, a group of scientists were experiment, questing, searching for a way to achieve immortality. They searched through every means at their disposal, sending out expeditions deep into space, testing the limits of genetic engineering, and even dwelving into the art of nanotechnology. At first, their work was seen as important, and the leaps forward they made into longevity and disease control was hailed as miracles. However, soon enough, the work started to slow, as the limits of their science held back their research. A faction soon emerged amongst the scientists and researchers, one that believed that drastic measures should be taken, and that the ends justify any means. They argued much with the others, and soon began setting up secret labs, and began testing their medecine on patients without consent, even kidnapping the mentally ill, the lower classes and travellers. They continued this for years, and drifted further and further away from morality, but where making good progess, and dark rumours began to abound of missing persons and strange experiments. Soon, the head scientist confronted them, and was murdered. The local authorities immediatly tried to arrest this shadowy group, but the law enforcement officials were killed by monstrous experiments. These desperate scientists then were forced to flee in their research ships and science vessels, as the military came after them. They fled, and were never heard from again......

They travelled far across the void, fleeing from the past. A freakish anomaly in the warp blew them of course, and they ended up in the ghoul stars. Coming across a barely hapitable world, orbiting a dark star, they soon realised that a colony could only be built in the strange network of tunnels and caves their sensors were picking up beneath the planets surface. So they landed, and began to establish a colony in a large cavern. They had already deviated from their original humanity by this point, as a lack of subjects had forced them to experiment on themselves. They now fed on blood, as they had found a way to harvest blood from dead bodies, by using hooking the recently deceased up to machine, which kept certain parts of the body alive, with nanomachines harvesting the non blood producing parts of the body, and feeding it into the bone marrow to create nutricious blood, and solving the problems of food supplies on their journey. These "advanced" humans now had long fangs, greater endurance and the ability to hibernate.
Having established their new colony, they continued their research, and began to increase their population. They no longer depended on sexual reproduction, now being able to reconstitute the dead into a frame of biomass, and then using carefully selected genetic information to grow new adults.
However, they soon encountered a dangerous threat, and the origin of these tunnels. A vicious race soon returned to the same section of the cave systems that the new community was inhabiting, these were the Cythor Fiends. Conflict erupted immediatly, and violently. The former humans, who now called themselves the Nosferatu, after one of their greatest leaders, had the technological advantage, using nanotechnological equipement and weapons, but were much fewer in number. They soon devised a method similar to their new method of reproduction, to reanimate the dead to fight as cannon fodder, and began intensivly enhancing their own physiology for fighting in the dark tunnels and caves. They grew pale, as pigmentation was not needed in a lightless environment, and their eyes gained the ability to see in the dark a if it were day, and they could now sense the heartbeat and bloodflow of their enemies. They gained superhuman strength and speed, incredible hearing, and some bloodlines (as favourable genes were passed down through different factions in the form of "family" bloodlines) now had potent pseudo-psychic power, giving them the ability to mesmerise and sway other people, and in some rare cases the ability to read peoples minds.) and their nanobots, now a fully organic and advanced symbiotic organism which their bodies produced, gave them extremely rapid regenerative abilities, and also made them stronger, faster and more intelligent the older they got, as the organisms continuously enhance their bodies throughout their lives. Aging was now fully eliminated, and their ancient goal of immortality was achieved. The local Cythor fiends, after centuries of fighting, were eventually subjegated, and came to worship the nosferatu as gods, and were used as a source of food, biomass and labour by the nosferatu.
After many, many years, the caves of this planet became full of Cythor fiends (who now no longer fought each other, due to the rule of the nosferatu) and nosferatu. Having become genetically stabilised into their latest forms, the Nosferatu could not change themselves from cave dwellers into forms which could survive the harsh radiation of the surface (or even the solar radiation on most habitable planets of direct sunlight, which now burned them and weakened them). So they came up with a different solution. Instead of adapting themselves, they now built a series of great spires at key points across the planet, using massive amounts of Cythor and "undead" labour. Once completed, the spires were activated. Spewing thousands of nanobots and chemicals into the planets thin atmosphere. Soon, the planet had a dark, thick atmosphere, through which little light or radiation could penetrate. The nosferatu then engineered local cave species, such as small, batlike creatures so that they could survive in this atmosphere, and leave the caves. These creatures would now naturally maintain the atmosphere, excreting the right chemicals, and aiding the atmospheric spires. Now, great cities could spring up across the planet, and the Nosferatu could walk the surface of the planet, and even take nourishment directly from the atmosphere. The billions of bat creatures which now swarmed the sky, would instinctivly live among the great spires, and their corpses would fall into great vats at the bottom of the spires, providing massive amounts of biomass to transform into nourishing fluids. The Nosferatu would now build newer, more advanced weapons and ships, to defend themselves against the cythor fiends from other planets in the ghoul cluster, and to claim their place in the 41st millenium.......
 

Disciple of Nagash

Oldblood
Staff member
Feb 12, 2008
27,732
Ok, I have updated the very first post in this thread with what we have agreed on so far (barring Sanai's last post). SO have a look and let me know what you all think.
 

Capt Rubber Ducky

Vampire Count
True Blood
Jun 9, 2009
1,547
It sounds good to me, but i spotted a few flaws...

Standing over seven feet, well muscled, winged and with bulging eyes

1) If they live underground i'm not sure how they would have developed wings ;).

2) How did the scan of the caves not pick up the lifeforms (Cythor Fiends)
 

Disciple of Nagash

Oldblood
Staff member
Feb 12, 2008
27,732
Well that's where we need to work on the Cythor Background. A suggestion would be they had wings when they lived on the surface of the planet. Then something happened that caused the massive radiation on the planets surface. In time they adapted to the caves but they still retained their wings.

It was only bio detection part of the scan was broken :tongue:
 

Count Erick

Wight King
Dec 28, 2008
465
Many creatures that have wings live in caves. In fact, its perhaps the best way to get around in one.
Have you seen the bottom of real cave? What isn't flooded is covered in insects, bacteria and all sorts of things better left unmentioned...
 

Disciple of Nagash

Oldblood
Staff member
Feb 12, 2008
27,732
So Erick do you think it sounds ok so far with your awesome 40k knowledge? :D

If so I suggest we start trying to round up the general background so we can't start looking an units that will be used in the army.
 

Disciple of Nagash

Oldblood
Staff member
Feb 12, 2008
27,732
Excellent!

Well I think to get things moving we will settle on that for the Chrio's background.

Any suggestions of a rough background for the Cythor Fiends - notably their sonic tech?
 

Morbraelle

Zombie
Jan 5, 2010
27
The official chiro writeup is perfect! haha!
Reading this, and seeing how wonderfully it has come along is like getting the best birthday present ever!

I think the Cythor fiends definitely started on this planet, or were a race that crash-landed and began underground life anew, long long ago. They may have some legends of their creation, but not even they know exactly of their beginnings. Anyway, along with some other, less sentient species, the fiends ended up evolving almost entirely underground. They could have adapted for subterranean life by growing wings and developing echolocation quite naturally, if there were huge chasms that were uncrossable except for huge gliding leaps, and undetectable if not by sonic location. so the cythors develop tough claws to grip small crevices, and sticky pads like geckoes to aid them in their traversing, they can use these to climb and gain height advantage for a huge leap across the chasms. Technically they could crawl across, but a journey that would take 3 days of careful climbing, can be done immediately in a well placed leap and soar combination. What passes for bulging "eyes" are actually large, advanced echolocation nodules, with which they can use to "see" in minute details for miles around. (but, as erick said, not "behind" anything solid, unless there is a direct opening with which the pulse can pass through). Unlike Bats, who release intermittent 'clicks' to get a shape of their surroundings, these sonic nodules constantly vibrate and pulse, leaving no gaps in their perceptions. They survive of the underground ecology, probably keeping huge stock of subterranean cattle-like species (I'm seeing some huge gross worm creatures). Anyhoo, the Chiropterans end up arriving, fighting, and working out a deal with the Cythors. The Cythors win them over with a) brute force, b) the promise of new technology (augmentation to their sonic nodes so they can 'blast' stuff/ make people psycho with their vibrations, cool swords, guns etc. and C), Better food! the first time the Cythors try human meat and blood they are hooked, man those huge worms are looking pretty gross now.
Ultimately, they aid the Chiro's in their covert planetary raids for new blood, acting as winged assasins, and night-spies.
Once the slaves have been taken back to their subterranean kingdom, they are let loose into huge communities of naked, helpless slave humans, isolated miles beneath the surface on huge mesas with sheer sides that drop down to razor sharp stones and epic stalagmites. and no light whatsoever. so all there really is to is cry, eat the meager rations left for them, and.....reproduce!!!! yay! more Chiro and Cythor food!
 
Jul 28, 2009
134
England
Hey guys just read through the posts and I really like your ideas,the cypher fiends are a good idea for shock troops and they fit really well into a futuristic vampire army,really like the nano-bot idea :) think the idea of the nano-bots reanimating dead flesh to make the waves of mindless zombies would fit very well,can't remember who suggested it but using h.r giger as a fluff theme of the way they look is cool,was thinking for the skimmers and pretty
much all of there weaponry the nano-bots would need fresh blood to sustain themselves (if I'm correct) can imagine the skimmers with pods on them containing (cattle) for sustenance,maybet his could power there tech,the lifeforce of others and that's why they where persucuted and ended up fleeing,the more hey use there guns the weaker they become untill they kill and can harvest more blood,quite tempted to get back into 40k now lol,think them raiding the stars and enslaving whole planets to sate there first and power there tech is very fitting and would bring them to the attention of the imperium :) anyway ramble over,good job so far guys :)
 

Sanai

Stylish Deviant
True Blood
Oct 30, 2009
5,193
Behind Darvy
We could always eliminate the human factor and make the chiropteans be the cythir fiends themselves, call the homeworkd cythor, have the species be called chiropteans, with the imperials calling them cythor fiends, and still retain the science, nanotech, quest for immortality and superpower, etc.

On another note, I think I remember mention of another alien race, called the Barghesi, who are savage and violent.
Barghest is a name of a kind of mythological wolf I think. How about we make the Barghesi be like the Chiropteans big rivals (vampires vs werewolves anyone?)

edit: Also, I think it would be a good idea to work bloodlines in somehow. Perhaps make them kinda be like the eldars aspect warriors more than like the tau castes, but make it so 1# you cannot move between bloodlines like eldar aspects 2# you are born into your bloodline 3# each bloodline has special powers from genes engineered in by their bloodline. These special genes are jealously guarded and are the source of that bloodlines power, making the bloodlines be the ruling "families" of the Chiropteans.
Heres some ideas for some bloodlines (im using descriptive names atm, not what the names would actually be)
The Infiltrators- This bloodline, one of the most powerful and secretive ruling castes, long ago discovered the secret of combining nano technology and genetic engineering to gain the ability to shapeshift. These are the feared ones, the spies, assassins and cunning tricksters. They can change their form, and are masters of disguise and deceit. In combat, they favour speed, trickery and deceit over brute force and endurance.
The Warrior Knights- This bloodline long ago embarked on the sacred quest to create the perfect warrior. Clad in armour, and wielding blades of nanosteel, this bloodline follows a twisted code of honour, always seeking the greatest champions of the enemy. These are the mighty, the ones who seek always, martial perfection. They are fast, strong and able to take much punishment, and prefer to fight alone rather than to rely on their servants.
The Mind Walkers- This bloodline has long seeked mental perfection, as well as knowledge and power. These are the ones who study for millenia in their tower spires, who have developed potent psychic power, even at the expense of their physical bodies. They appear to be withered husks, but they understand that knowledge is power, and that the power of the warp overcomes that of the flesh.
The Exiles- This bloodline, once a noble and powerful house of the Chiroptean ruling families, tried to bring justice and restraint to the excessive and brutal violence of the Chiropteans. They tried to change the ways of the Chiropteans, and wanted to unite with the Barghesi and other alien races. However, they soon fell afoul of the other bloodlines, and in a great civil war that tore at the very heart of chiroptean society, they were slaughtered, and some captured. As a great punishment, they were taken into the deepest labs of the Chiropteans, and were experimented upon, their dna twisted to create a new and terrible weapon. The savagry of both the cythor and the barghesi was combined with their dna, to create terrible, ravenous beasts, to be unleashed upon the enemies of the bloodlines. Some escaped with their sanity somewhat intact, and went into exile, but many were retained as living weapons.
The Nano-Priests- Harking back to the ancient days of the Chiropteans, this bloodline has seeked technological advancement. Massive advancements in nano-technology, weaponry and other developements have put this house far ahead of the others. This bloodline secured its place by being the source of weapons, equipement and starships for the rest of the chiroptean houses.

Then you can have, to lead the chiroptean armies, Chiroptean Lords, some of which have grown influential enough to have either stolen or purchased or bargained for powers from other houses.
Each house can have a signature hero or unit to add to the army.
 

Disciple of Nagash

Oldblood
Staff member
Feb 12, 2008
27,732
We could always eliminate the human factor and make the chiropteans be the cythir fiends themselves, call the homeworkd cythor, have the species be called chiropteans, with the imperials calling them cythor fiends, and still retain the science, nanotech, quest for immortality and superpower, etc.

No I disagree – I like what we have at the moment, and it allows us to have our human like “vampires” and also have some alien aspects with mixing with the Cythor Fiends. I think the established back ground is fine now.

On another note, I think I remember mention of another alien race, called the Barghesi, who are savage and violent.
Barghest is a name of a kind of mythological wolf I think. How about we make the Barghesi be like the Chiropteans big rivals (vampires vs werewolves anyone?)

Never heard of them? Have you Erick? However I do think it might be an interesting idea, perhaps these Barghesi could have inhabited one of the nearby worlds which could be conquered by the Chiros?

edit: Also, I think it would be a good idea to work bloodlines in somehow. Perhaps make them kinda be like the eldars aspect warriors more than like the tau castes, but make it so 1# you cannot move between bloodlines like eldar aspects 2# you are born into your bloodline 3# each bloodline has special powers from genes engineered in by their bloodline. These special genes are jealously guarded and are the source of that bloodlines power, making the bloodlines be the ruling "families" of the Chiropteans.
Heres some ideas for some bloodlines (im using descriptive names atm, not what the names would actually be)
The Infiltrators- This bloodline, one of the most powerful and secretive ruling castes, long ago discovered the secret of combining nano technology and genetic engineering to gain the ability to shapeshift. These are the feared ones, the spies, assassins and cunning tricksters. They can change their form, and are masters of disguise and deceit. In combat, they favour speed, trickery and deceit over brute force and endurance.
The Warrior Knights- This bloodline long ago embarked on the sacred quest to create the perfect warrior. Clad in armour, and wielding blades of nanosteel, this bloodline follows a twisted code of honour, always seeking the greatest champions of the enemy. These are the mighty, the ones who seek always, martial perfection. They are fast, strong and able to take much punishment, and prefer to fight alone rather than to rely on their servants.
The Mind Walkers- This bloodline has long seeked mental perfection, as well as knowledge and power. These are the ones who study for millenia in their tower spires, who have developed potent psychic power, even at the expense of their physical bodies. They appear to be withered husks, but they understand that knowledge is power, and that the power of the warp overcomes that of the flesh.
The Exiles- This bloodline, once a noble and powerful house of the Chiroptean ruling families, tried to bring justice and restraint to the excessive and brutal violence of the Chiropteans. They tried to change the ways of the Chiropteans, and wanted to unite with the Barghesi and other alien races. However, they soon fell afoul of the other bloodlines, and in a great civil war that tore at the very heart of chiroptean society, they were slaughtered, and some captured. As a great punishment, they were taken into the deepest labs of the Chiropteans, and were experimented upon, their dna twisted to create a new and terrible weapon. The savagry of both the cythor and the barghesi was combined with their dna, to create terrible, ravenous beasts, to be unleashed upon the enemies of the bloodlines. Some escaped with their sanity somewhat intact, and went into exile, but many were retained as living weapons.
The Nano-Priests- Harking back to the ancient days of the Chiropteans, this bloodline has seeked technological advancement. Massive advancements in nano-technology, weaponry and other developements have put this house far ahead of the others. This bloodline secured its place by being the source of weapons, equipement and starships for the rest of the chiroptean houses.

Yeah this is what Erick suggested previously. I do like the House idea (I have already forshadowed in the background for a more bestial House xd). I like the idea, the only problem I have with the above is that they are perhaps to direct a translation of the fantasy bloodlines. I would prefer the Houses to be based in the bloodlines, rather than a direct copy if that makes sense?
 

Knightofni

Varghulf
True Blood
Aug 31, 2009
758
Disciple of Nagash said:
On another note, I think I remember mention of another alien race, called the Barghesi, who are savage and violent.
Barghest is a name of a kind of mythological wolf I think. How about we make the Barghesi be like the Chiropteans big rivals (vampires vs werewolves anyone?)

Never heard of them? Have you Erick? However I do think it might be an interesting idea, perhaps these Barghesi could have inhabited one of the nearby worlds which could be conquered by the Chiros?

All I could find on the Barghesi was this. Taken from Lexicanum.

The Barghesi are an alien race that inhabits the Grendl Stars, a constellation in the Eastern Fringe. They are known to be 'hyper-violent'.

According to Imperial Records, the Iron Lords Marines Chapter proved instrumental in confining the Barghesi to the Grendl Stars, and also in preventing the destructive biological potential of the Barghesi from being harvested by Hive Fleet Kraken.
 

Count Erick

Wight King
Dec 28, 2008
465
Indeed knightofni, the first mention of them was in the Assault on Black Reach "Read This First" book, and then in the Space Marine codex.

Looking at the astral map in the Black Reach book, the Grendl Stars are a very, very long way from the Ghoul stars, and boarder the Tau Empire.
 

Sanai

Stylish Deviant
True Blood
Oct 30, 2009
5,193
Behind Darvy
dam, and for a little bit I thought they were in the ghoul stars too, musta got those stars mixed up.
Oh well, distance may stop em from conquering them, but conflict in 40k stretches everywhere. Perhaps something important to the Chiropteans is in the Barghesi's possesion.
I think we should discuss in detail the technology level of the chiropteans and their tactics, as this is often a central part of any 40k fluff.
Who are they closest to being on par with technology wise? Also, if they originate from humans, how human looking is their tech? Should it even be recognisable as being of imperial origin after all this divergence?
Also, which culture is dominant in what the architecture of their tech and society looks like? Did they humanise the cythors stuff, or did the chiropteans stuff get cythorised?
Also, just how common are the chiropteans compaired to the cythor? Are we talking like the fantasy vampires, as a few individuals only, or is there enough of them for whole units of them in your armies?
 

Disciple of Nagash

Oldblood
Staff member
Feb 12, 2008
27,732
I think that counts the Barghesi out then.

In regards to technology the Sanai talked about, well the only thing we have at the moment is the nanoshield tech which is Chiro only. As said this will differ in effectiveness, being stronger on earlier generations, weaker on new generations / "zombies".

Weaponry - I have no idea? We have the basic weaponry they took from the Imperium but surely these would have be long enhanced, especially with the nanobots at their disposal? It would perhaps be feasible that after seeing how effective the sonic weapons on the Cythor Fiends were, they adapted their weaponry to be similar? After all only those with nanoshielding have an effective defence, so it would have been a good choice to use against those who don't (i.e everyone).

In level of tech - I think they would probably be between the Imperium and Tau? They only have made some progress due to the fact the nanobots increased the intelligence of the Chiro's. Of course though they may be slightly more advanced, they will still not have some tech, not having access to the STCs that have been discovered since then.

Culture wise, Chiro's easliy have the dominance, purely because they are more powerful. The Cythor Fiends still have their own areas as per the truce that was signed years ago, but its basically like the Indians in the USA, still keeping to their faith / traditions whilst being surrounded by others.

I would say that Chiro's should not be plentiful enough to have units......hmm maybe one elite unit. I would prefer to keep them as commanders etc.
 

Sanai

Stylish Deviant
True Blood
Oct 30, 2009
5,193
Behind Darvy
I think some kind of energy weapon should be in there somewhere. Red beams of death being wielded by vampires sounds appealing.
Skimmers seem like an appealing idea, as they can be fast and stealthy and sleek.
Perhaps and elite unit of chiros that can be used as a command squad, made up of the commander's closest and most trusted subordinates/household.
Sonic Grenades of some kind would be great, or perhaps a close range sonic weapon that is attached to the armour of the wearer, enabling them to stun their opponent flashbang style(except without the flash) and leaving their hands free to rip their stunned enemy a new hole.
Perhaps for an imperial based weapon, we get imperial projectile weapon technology and upgrade it to a lightweight more accurate version.
Like if the bolter was equivalent to the ak-47, this new weapon would be equivalent to a black carbon fibre carbine with a silencer and a cool red nightscope with no recoil, armour piercing rounds and a custom made adjustable stock.....I think I just drooled a bit while I wrote that last bit.
 

Count Erick

Wight King
Dec 28, 2008
465
Culture wise, Chiro's easliy have the dominance, purely because they are more powerful. The Cythor Fiends still have their own areas as per the truce that was signed years ago, but its basically like the Indians in the USA, still keeping to their faith / traditions whilst being surrounded by others.

I'm not so sure...
The Chyropterans have been divorced from humanity for ten thousand years, and their only company has been the Cythor Fiends, which we've established, outnumber them by quite a lot.
I honestly see an even melding of the two cultures, with the Cyropterans (a small elite minority) being influenced a great deal by the Cythor Fiends (a vastly larger, but lower in rank majority)

As for weapons, what I do is think of a niche that needs to be filled, and design a weapon to fill it, with consideration to the armies background.
Examples of niches being: Standard Issue Weapon, Anti-Tank, Anti-Infantry, etc.
But we should keep in mind the theme for the army when designing them, like if the army is going to focus on CC.
 

Disciple of Nagash

Oldblood
Staff member
Feb 12, 2008
27,732
I think if we are going to fit theme it VC style then we would have to go for combat more than shooting, with weapons the majority of weapons designed to work in short range / assault, with some anti armour weapons to stop other armies holding back and blowing them to crap with armour.
 

Count Erick

Wight King
Dec 28, 2008
465
Indeed.
As for sonic weapons, I'm going to digress just a little bit. There is this Anime called Wolf's Rain, and in this show there is an elite fighting unit equipped with large shields, and these shield incorporate a powerful sonic weapon able to blast opponents back.

I really like this combination of defensive and offensive weapon systems, and I can see it working like a Storm Shield, but giving the bearer a ranged attack.
The shield would give the bearer an invulnerable save and a ranged weapon, but take up a hand so they couldn't use any possible two handed weapons.
 

beeblicon

Black Knight
Dec 27, 2009
355
Disciple of Nagash said:
I think if we are going to fit theme it VC style then we would have to go for combat more than shooting, with weapons the majority of weapons designed to work in short range / assault, with some anti armour weapons to stop other armies holding back and blowing them to crap with armour.

If your using cythor fiends tho, there is very little fluff about them, but what little there is states they have "devastating ranged weaponry"

I think you should theme it vampire, but not VC...unless you are ok with changing the fluff that exists surrounding cythor fiends?

As for a Sonic weapon, the fluff also states that cythor fiends use weapons that shoot carbine spikes (think dark eldar).. so heres my suggestion for something that fights

Sonic Pulser (sonic carbine, whatever, could use a better name)
Using sonomagnetic projection, the sonic pulser uses amplified and directed sound waves to launch devastating ranged attacks. The carbine can be used in one of two ways.

Solid Shot-
Using directed waves of sonic energy the carbine is able to propel a solid carbine spike at high velocities.

Range 18" str 3 ap - rapid fire or assault?

Pulse wave
When not used to launch a solid projectile the pulser can be tuned to let loose a wave of hard hitting sonic energy. This energy wave is devastating at short range, the sonic energy able to pass through the toughest armor with ease. However due to its noise based nature it quickly degrades over longer distances.

range 12" str 3 at - Ignores armor (ranged power weapon?)
 

Count Erick

Wight King
Dec 28, 2008
465
As for a Sonic weapon, the fluff also states that cythor fiends use weapons that shoot carbine spikes (think dark eldar).. so heres my suggestion for something that fights
Could you cite your source?
 

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