Legion of Nagash Magic Item Development - Standards

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I felt the other thread was just too long, and had too much items in it to easily look over.

Therefore I have decided to create individual threads for each Magic Item section.

The original thread can be found here: LINK

So here are the current Standard options:

Standard of Lifelessness - 125pts
This standard hungers for the life essence of its enemies. Urged by the dead that march under it, it consumes the will and souls of those nearby.
For every rank owning unit has, enemies within 6" get -1 Ld for the purpose of breaking. For example for 3 ranks, enemy units would suffer -3 to their Ld. This modifier effects Ld based tests and attacks.

The Hunger Stone - 70pts
Atop this standard sits a massive black diamond that thrums with the power of of the Dark Lord himself. Under its influence the dead are driven relentlessly forwards with a hunger for living flesh
Bound Spell. Power Level 5
If successfully cast 3 friendly undead units within 18" may march move or charge as per the BRB


Banner of the Ages - 50 points
One Use Only
This ancient standard is infused with the power of the ages that have gone by since the very beginning of the ragged flag's existence. Enemies attempting to approach the bearer find their movement sluggish as though time itself conspires to keep them at bay.
Declare you are using this banner during the enemy's Declare Charges phase, after charges have been declared but before charge distances are measured. This banner may only be used if the bearer or his unit chooses Hold as their charge reaction. For this turn, any units charging the bearer or his unit reduce their maximum charge distance by D6+3 inches. Models with the Ethereal special rule are immune to the effects of this banner.

The Crystal of Geheiminsnacht - 40pts
The baleful glare of this cursed crystal scorches the eyes of those who look upon it.
When a magic missile, or missile weapon including war machines are targeted at the bearer, and/or the unit he is in, the bearer may use this item. The unit attempting to shoot must take a leadership test, which they cannot use their generals Ld. If this is failed, they must target something else.

Swarm Banner - 40pts
This grotesque banner is made from the skins of slain enemies and has a permanent cloud of stinking flies surrounding it. These insects have diseased and rotting bodies that can infect and even kill men..
At the end of every turn roll D6 for every enemy model in btb contact with this unit. On a roll of 6, the model suffers one wound with no armour saves allowed.

Doomrider Banner - 40pts
The coldness that exudes from this banner temporarily freezes all who come in contact with it, allowing the rampaging dead to cut them down without mercy
One Use Only. Cavalry Only. At any point during the battle the bearer of this banner may activate its power. Providing the unit charges that turn, all their attacks automatically hit in the following combat phase. This includes the mounts attacks but does not any characters or their mounts that have joined the unit.

Warp Banner - 35pts
This standard covered with dreaded spells and warp stones can manipulate the winds of magic to it's owner's advantage
While bearer is not fleeing, add +1 dispel dice during opponent's magic phase. In addition the bearer and unit he is with receive a Magic Resistance of (1)
If there is a caster in BtB contact with the bearer, at any point during the magic phase they may choose to use the banner's warpstone. The caster gains +2PD for that magic phase only, however the banner looses its powers for the rest of the battle.

The Pennant of Eternal Death - 35pts
This banner warps the air, creating an illusion of legions of dead that will never die
The unit bearing this banner always count as outnumbering enemy units they charge, or are involved in combat with, regardless of actual unit strengths. This banner may not be taken by the BSB

W'sorans shroud - 25pts
This tattered cloth was enchanted by Nagash to imprison W'soran and his acolytes while they were tortured, after there failure to overthrow Nehekara. It still echoes with their screams, which no creature can hear and not be afraid.
All units that are within 6" and are not undead suffer -1 to their Ld. This also affects units with the Nagashi rule.

Comments / Suggestions?
 
Standard of lifelessness - seems fine
Warp banner - seems fine
The Crystal of Geheiminsnacht - Ok, but is it a one use only? If not then I think it needs an increase in points, maybe to 35, as it is very good against shooty armies.
W'sorans shroud - Awesome :D Then I would say that... And DoN!!! Why do you hate the fluff I create, every time you change it! *sob*
 
The Crystal of Geheiminsnacht - It's not that good. Remember they have to take a Ld test, which won't bother some armies. Also if they fail they get to choose another target, so I don't think it's good enough to warrant an increase.

Lol - I only changed the fluff to make it fit the new rules we discussed.

More ideas please!
 
Well, the Crystal of Geheimnisnacht is pretty brutal in some cases, mainly against shooty Gobbos, Skaven and Tomb Kings. Tomb King Skeletons/SSCs are LD4, Gobbos are LD5/6, and Skaven weapon teams are LD5. That means that unit is entirely invulnerable to Skaven weapons, and not even the Grey Seer can touch them as he's LD6. Deathstar much?
 
and you have a -1 ld banner... Its way too good.. the crystal needs to be OTU or raised in points or simply changed..
 
Fair enough. I quite like the rules so maybe a points increase. Considering the previous points would 40pts be more apt? The last thing I want to do is turn this list into a cheese fest.
 
I think that's too much. I can see the standard being effective against some, but don't forget about HE, WE DE, Dwarfs - all armies who will look at this standard and most probably laugh.

Plus it's not as if the enemy looses their shooting, they can still target another unit.
 
I'd like to see a banner like the VC one that doubles your unit strength. Its really useful IMO, and it could easily be fluffed into it *with a magical expulsion of gas, Nagash made it look like his unit was super huge. No one wanted to look through the green haze again, or smell it for that matter, they took his word for it* or something a little more believable ;)
 
Great to see you getting back involved Fluffy! xd

The idea is a good one, especially as it is one of the more popular VC banners. I think we need to amend in slightly, to make it unique.

Hmmmm..


The Neverending Pennant of Death - 35pts
This banner warps the air, creating an illusion of legions of dead the will never die
The unit bearing this banner always count as outnumbering enemy units they charge, or are involved in combat with, regardless of actual unit strengths.
 
Well I'd totally believe my fluff... It works so well for my Nurgle daemons!
I ain't drooling at the name myself, and medically, I can't stop drooling in general. Might I recommend:
The Pennant of Eternal Death -> The pennant of Undying Servitude, or... Unholy Succor... Incessant Dominance...

Speaking of pervertedness... DoN, You sir are a Sybarite! I learned a new word :D
 
Eeee, will done Fluffy, aren't we a clever boy now xD

Hmmm, Undying Servitude... Sounds like a risky plan with DoN around :D Good name tho, me likey!

It seems we need some more banners, So hows this:
Swarm Banner - 40pts
This grotesque banner is made from the skins of slain enemies and has a permenant cloud of stinking flies surrounding it. These clog the noses and mouths of enemies, and their diseased bodies can infect and even kill men.
Enemies in combat with the unit bearing this banner suffer -1 to hit in close combat. Additionnaly, enemies that flee from the unit having been beaten in close combat automatically take D6 S2 hits, distributed as shooting attacks.
 
I prefer the Pennant of Eternal Death or Incessant Dominance, and Fluffy you are very right, I am a Sybarite! xd

Marcus, your Swarm Banner. I would have to disagree. One of the Books causes a -1 to hit within 6". This would stack it to -2 which is too much.

How about something simple to represent the killer flies trying to kill them men? At the end of every turn roll D6 for every model in btb contact with this unit. On a roll of 6, the model suffers one wound with no armour saves allowed.
 
Wait, so the books effects can stack. Arrrghhh... Well then, Ok, your suggestion seems fair. Hmmmm, now I need to alter the fluff:
This grotesque banner is made from the skins of slain enemies and has a permenant cloud of stinking flies surrounding it. These insects have diseased and rotting bodies that can infect and even kill men.

Seems to fit the fluff better now. Yes?
 
Ok, I've added the Pennant of Eternal Death. Looking at the above points, I think we are going to have to make the units allowance for magical standards 40pts. But that's fine considering this is meant to be a magical army, especially with Nagash backing them up.

In regards to your banner Marcus, we now have:

Swarm Banner - 40pts
This grotesque banner is made from the skins of slain enemies and has a permenant cloud of stinking flies surrounding it. These insects have diseased and rotting bodies that can infect and even kill men..
At the end of every turn roll D6 for every model in btb contact with this unit. On a roll of 6, the model suffers one wound with no armour saves allowed.
 
The Pennant of Eternal Death - 35pts
This banner warps the air, creating an illusion of legions of dead the will never die
The unit bearing this banner always count as outnumbering enemy units they charge, or are involved in combat with, regardless of actual unit strengths.
Two things, Number 1: In the fluff, shouldn't it be 'legions of dead that will never die.'
Number 2: Just a quibble, how come the name isn't in bold when all the rest are? As you may have guessed, im a perfectionist XD

And yes, the Swarm Banner seems fine now.
 
Ok, so I have added the swarm banner.

I don't know what you will all this of this one, but here's the updated version of a 4th edition undead item:

Doomrider Banner - 40pts
The coldness that exudes from this banner temporarily freezes all who come in contact with it, allowing the rampaging dead to cut them down without mercy
One Use Only. Cavalry Only. At any point during the battle the bearer of this banner may activate its power. Providing the unit charges that turn, all their attacks automatically hit in the following combat phase. This includes the mounts attacks.
 
Disciple of Nagash said:
Swarm Banner - 40pts
This grotesque banner is made from the skins of slain enemies and has a permanent cloud of stinking flies surrounding it. These insects have diseased and rotting bodies that can infect and even kill men..
At the end of every turn roll D6 for every model in btb contact with this unit. On a roll of 6, the model suffers one wound with no armour saves allowed.

You need to add "At the end of every turn roll D6 for every ENEMY model in btb contact...".

You might want to consider changing it to "enemy model in base contact with the bearer of the standard" (models on foot only) as this would allow you to drop its point value down into the low-end range (20ish?). (Since mathematically you'd only being doing 1/2 wound per turn, assuming 3 enemy model in btb contact).

The Pennant of Eternal Death - 35pts
This banner warps the air, creating an illusion of legions of dead that will never die
The unit bearing this banner always count as outnumbering enemy units they charge, or are involved in combat with, regardless of actual unit strengths.

Should probably add "count as outnumbering for combat resolution purposes only (ie. always gets +1)..." Or some other wording that prevents the auto-break condition if the unit carrying this banner happens to cause fear.
 
Both good points Bishop, yes it should be for every Enemy model in btb contact.
However when we came up with the idea i think we purposefully went for it to effect the entire unit. If it was just in btb contact with the bearer, it wouldnt have the effect and we be mostly a useless item. I think it should effect the entire unit. Also yes for the Pennant the wording should be changed... DoN just can't get anything right can he XD

And speaking of DoN your Doomrider Banner terrified me witless when I first saw it. The idea of an entire unit of cavalry automatically hitting is horrendous, can you imagine the damage that would inflict. Then I thought it through, and realised it wasnt too bad, as for the Legion the cavalry aren't all lance wielding blood-suckers. The only question i have is would it affect any charactrs that affect the unit? Whatever the answer the cost should probably remain the same, Im just curious.
 
Marcus Von Drac said:
And speaking of DoN your Doomrider Banner terrified me witless when I first saw it.

I can't imagine that's a hard thing to do;)

I have amended the Swarm Banner. In regards to the Pennant, the main idea was that it would autobreak the enemy if they won combat, that's the whole idea behind?

As for the Doomrider banner, no I imagined it would just affect the unit, not any characters that join them.
 
Why you cheeky son a *£$"&^!£* :mad2: - just cos he's admin he thinks he can say what he wants ... grumble ...

And for the Pennant, in all honesty I wasn't paying much attention, so lets have a look... mmm ... always count ... outnumber ... charging ... regardless of unit strength ... hmm. Actually yeah, I don't see a problem with that.
As for the Doomerider Banner, yep that seeems like quite a nice idea, auto-hit once per battle for 40pts. I don't think that needs any tweeking.
 

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