Kuosa said:
a few notes:
*I cannot take a Lord as the book says Lords can only lead 2k+ point armies but I see a lot of lists with them, how so?
This book was written in 7th edition warhammer. The FAQ addresses this, and makes changes to the book. FAQs are found on the Games Workshop home site, and there is stickies in these forums to find them. If you have trouble locating them, let us know. Basically, army compisition is now:
Up to 25% of your points spent on lords (so 1250*0.25=312.5. This is the maximum you can spend on a Lord, in any army, not just Vampire Counts)
Up to 25% of your points on Heroes.
At least 25% on Core.
Up to 50% on Special.
Up to 25% on Rare.
Kuosa said:
*WK cannot have any additional magic items if he has the BSB but I see a lot of lists here where WK is equipped with them. How is that?
Not quite true. Any BSB cannot take magic items if they have a Magic Banner. So if you have a BSB, you can take magic items, OR a magic banner (of unlimited points for the banner), but not both.
Kuosa said:
My main questions are:
I. What do you think about this list? I am not going full competitive but I like the skeletons and don't want to invest everything in GG.
II. I do not like my Vamp, it is a hybrid caster/soldier. Could you suggest something how to make him into a pure caster? (I will not remove the crown of command, it is too useful).
Sorry for the long post and thanks for your thoughts,
Kuosa.
First, we have a new book coming out shortly. If you are planning on buying models, you may want to hold off until then.
Second, if you already have a number of models, what do you have to work with?
Just working with your list, these are my thoughts:
Kuosa said:
200pts
vamp (G)
Vampire
dark acolyte, avatar of death, crown of command, sword of battle, ironcurse
This Vampire is much too fragile to put into combat. With only a Toughness of 4, a 4+ Armour Save, and a 4+ Ward Save, many regular troops can kill your general. I would scrap a Hero and use a Lord. You said you wanted a caster vampire; the main powers to base that around are:
Forbidden Lore, Master of the Black Arts, Dark Acolyte, Helm of Command. It's a bit tough to do at low level of points like this, as a Caster vampire you usually bunker, and the Vamp + bunker will be about 30% of your army.
Kuosa said:
100pts
king
Wight King
bsb
Wight Kings are great. There are a couple of common builds for a Wight King. They are:
Hoff King. Wight King with Drakenhoff banner. Too expensive at this level of points in my opinion, but they give a regeneration save to an entire unit.
Character Killer. Wight King w. Sword of Kings, Other Trickster's Shard, and usually something like the Dragon Helm. Killing blow on a 5+ is really scary, espeically if he has some kind of reroll to hit (Van Hel's), +1 to hit from Banner of the Barrows, First Strike (van hels, corpse cart). He has Lord level wounds (3), Lord level toughness (5) and a massive killing blow, for fairly cheap.
General Purpose. Something like BSB, Flayed Hauberk, Great Weapon. Cheap, effective. However, usually you have Grave Guard with Great Weapons so this is not normally necessary. The previous 2 Wight Kings are far more common.
Kuosa said:
Minimum Core
180pts
skellies
skeletons x20
full command
160pts
ghouls
ghouls x20
I love the look and feel of skeletons, but they are truly lacking. If you have the points, you may want to equip your skeletons with a magic banner. You will find they are terrible in combat.
Kuosa said:
335pts
guard
grave guard x20
great weapons, full command, banner of barrows
Very common unit, and by far our best. Your unit size is a bit light; you may want to increase it to 25.
This is fine; good for Warmachine hunting. Another option would be to spend 20 points more and get two units of 3. Would give you more options.
Fine. Good paired with the Bats to help them march.