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Scratchbuilt Lucius pattern Warhound

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Alright so I'm lazy, I'm looking for the topic to post scratch built models.

I gave a cursory scan and could find nothing to post my projects.

I have a few models that I made from scratch the most recent being Lucie, my Lucius Pattern Warhound. Lucie is at the moment very nearly 100% complete except for some battle damage to her toes.

I need to take some more recent images of Lucie.

Edmund Blackadder
 

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MasterSpark

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:siren:Thread moved to The Faces of Our Next Meal.:siren:
And for the record - it's in times like these that you can swiftly pop a PM to an active member of staff with your queries about stuff like this. :thumbsup:

Anyway, it looks like you've done a good job there. Scratch-built models are always fun to see, and I'll want to have a look at those more recent photos that you mentioned, too.

Edit: Oh wait, this is probably better suited for the 40k section. :lol:
:siren:Thread moved to Dead Space.:siren:
 

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That is a very good rendition of a warhound. Good Job.
What kind of components did you use?
 
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Lucie (Short for Lucius) is composed of:

Carapace, hull, void generators and head; Foam filled posterboard 1/2 inch and 1/4 inch covered with 0.030 sheet styrene (Evergreen).

Legs and supporting structures are 1/2 inch square styrene tubing (Orange label but I forget the manufacturer)

The upper and lower leg joints are 1/2 inch I.D. PVC tubing with 1/2 inch wood dowels for the axles.

The toes are made completely of styrene tubing and sheet styrene with 1/4 & 1/8 inch box tubing for the core.

The foot pads are made of 3/8 box beam styrene covered with sheet styrene and filled with industrial epoxy then routed out to receive the ankle ball gimbals.

I have hundreds of construction images detailing the manufacture of Lucie which I will make available in response to construction questions or I could just present a construction dissertation. Either way I will be more than happy to relate answers to any queries.

Incidentally, Lucie is fully articulate; all her joints are movable and pose-able

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including the three joint segments of each toe.

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Each toe is composed of well over a hundred components (including the rivets) and were the hardest parts to make.
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The toes also have the rarely seen FW tread detail

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which is why I suppose the production Warhound is so expensive.

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...now that's some serious work and dedication you've shown off. Thumbs up all around, man. :thumbsup:
 
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xD nice i could never do that!
BTW pls could some of you check out my new character thread its in Necrach`s workshop :thumbsup:
 
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In a moment of weakness I succumbed to the temptation of offered bitz from a real Warhound. I had searched for a reasonable substitute for the hull to head electrical conduit. Not to worry stated a friend on the west coast; FW gives much more than is needed of that material and you can have my excess.

At long last I have installed the power cables to the underside of the head, er cockpit, er command deck. I wanted to keep the head removable for repair and modification and I stumbled on the idea to make the power cables plug in so they can be disconnected regularly.

I took advantage of the 'Evergreen' tubing telescoping properties and built up some male plugs to fit into the sockets previously fabricated soooo long ago although at the time I had no inkling of what I would even use for power conduit (which was so graciously donated by Jabba ka Hutt) and therefore are the only truly FW items on Lucie. The rubber cable lent itself well to drilling with a fine pin drill bit and subsequently a 1/16th inch drill bit. I cyan-acetate glued 1/16th rod into the hole and added the appropriate sleeves to build the plug into a snug fitting end to fit into the connecting sleeve.

After waiting for the glue to dry I actually went on a customer call whilst I was waiting; below is the result.

Fully detachable conduits with very little evidence that they can be disconnected.

Man if I could only work this fast full time I could build dozens of these puppies.

The indolent Blackadder

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So Lucie has some genuine FW material in her albeit a little innovation I can up with to attach the conduit, make it removable and stretch out that which otherwise would not have been sufficient.

The Frugal Blackadder
 

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That is one of the finest scratch built titans I have seen, HUGE amount of work in the construction and the paint finish looks pretty good as well. Would love to see some more shots of it finished.

:thumbsup:
 
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Thanks for posting 'Count Darvaleth' I completely lost track of this forum and hadn't saved it to favorites relying on email notifications to link me back to new replies. Well it appears I can't do that since you're is the first I received since I last posted.

Apologies to touraant and medwayscott in not responding to their posts.

In answer to your request for more 'completed' pictures here's a few I took a short while back.

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The neck cable conduits allow for the full range of motion within the constraints of the neck cowl and the neck gimbal without excessive and un-military-like dangling. :)
 
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I suppose I should begin at the beginning where so long ago I drew up some rough sketches before I started this project.

At that time I had no idea of the scale of a Warhound except the the cryptic statement from FW that the model stands 10.5 inches high. That's not much to go on as it can literally be posed in an infinite number of ways.

My first sketch was pretty dismal but it did teach me something of the scale:

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The top/bottom view of the hull, head, and carapace was a little more polished but the vent housing on the top was too short and too wide.

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I played around with my art program to give this image a more polished appearance.

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Next I made some very rough mock-ups of the carapace, hull, and head out of foam core poster board.





I pretty much nailed the scale and size with these pitiful prototypes and they are actually the core of the finished model as she is today with very little modification.
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E. Blackadder
 

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Yes, Darvaleth I too had trouble until i noticed a little section of the exposed foam of the foamcard. You have done a really great job with this. I wish i could work with the foam i have lying around like you have Blackadder. My imperial defence lines just arent going to plan :(
 
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lynks said:
Yes, Darvaleth I too had trouble until i noticed a little section of the exposed foam of the foamcard................
Where?:shock: :) There is no exposed foam or even poster board stock as the whole hull, head and carapace was sheathed in 0.5mm plasticard. I did fill the lower edge of the carapace skirt with epoxy for strength as plasticard would not be durable enough in that area and would be constantly peeling off. I adhered the plasticard to the poster stock with Locktite 7 minute epoxy which is an excellent adhesive and the assembly is extremely light and durable. Weight was a big consideration for me as I wanted all the joints to be movable. If I built it heavy (I understand that a production Warhound weighs on the order 3 kilos;) much too heavy for my Evergreen tubing toes and PVC ankle and knee joints to support. Lucie weighs out at about 1 kilo even with the lead ballast I installed in the Void Generators to counterbalance the weapons and cockpit.

The glass is half empty,

Blackadder
 
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A Warlord break

Man I need a break the Warlord is wearing me out so this weekend I started the terrain of the Wahound base.

Naturally I'm doing things backasswards first I glued cork to the wood display base and now I have covered it with clay. This clay is "Sculpy" low temp fired clay that hardens in the oven at 275°F/130°C for 15 minutes.........any combustibles (Here's a thought, why isn't there metric time?)

Anyway I temporarily place some distorted Russ turrets and a Ryza barrel for effect just to stimulate some idea neurons because I want a scarred battlefield scenario. Perhaps a skeleton slumping out of the hatch. This is my first attempt at making a base for a model so I need some ideas.

Naturally there will be Warhound footprints and some small craters, weeds, rocks, and debris.

You hafta wonder how much heat it would take to melt a cannon barrel and warp a turret?

http://i.imgur.com/d2NXbNd.jpg

The terrain still need more moulding

http://i.imgur.com/iz5vUBB.jpg

There are too many wrecks, I know

http://i.imgur.com/X3G6OQ9.jpg

A closeup of the Ryza turret
 
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The Rehabilitation Of Lucie:

Lucie has had numerous minor injuries over the years and since I was asked for a few reference pictures compared to the new Reaver I decided it would serve to show it along side of Lucie.

Well the poor dear couldn't even stand when I took her down from the shelf.

http://i.imgur.com/WjGW3By.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/pjE5zjQ.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/jUMi6EZ.jpg



After a few hasty photos I set about disassembling the legs and waist.

http://i.imgur.com/7jm5bnT.jpg
 
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While I am repairing the waist it would be a good time to remove the velcro fasteners and install rare earth magnets in their stead.

http://i.imgur.com/M1VMrcSl.jpg


I enclose the magnet discs in capped styrene tubes to make them easily glued in place. I find the 0,25 MM thick cover does not interfere with the magnetic attraction very much at all and the magnets have less tendency to come loose than if just glued on with Super-glue.

http://i.imgur.com/Q6ekSdsl.jpg
 
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Magnet Capsule:

I find these new rare earth magnets invaluable for making detachable components so that weapons, appendages, heads, what-have-you make your pieces more versatile on the battleboard.

A few simple steps to make a magnet capsule

Below are the four components indicated by the red arrows needed to make a glue on magnetic capsule

Cut two squares from some scrap sheet styrene and cut a ring from an appropriate sized tubing.

http://i.imgur.com/OVPcW82.jpg


I use 0,25 MM styrene for the cover where the magnet will face the metal or other magnet and whatever thickness is needed for the back cover so that the two magnetic surfaces are just in contact.

Stack the four components and glue.

http://i.imgur.com/LHmJZ4k.jpg


Trim or file away the excess if necessary.

In the image below note the magnet capsules installed the red arrows indicating the large magnets just made and the green arrows much smaller magnet capsules used for very small fastenings and as in this case to maintain proper alignment of a larger object.

http://i.imgur.com/SUTtQP7.jpg
 
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Reworking the toe and ankle joints:

I haven't had the toes and ankles apart since I finished up this model about four years ago but I did accomplish an emergency repair a few years back so the ankle ball and socket were frozen locked in the full back position.

This gave Lucie a settled back on her haunches look.

While I have the ankle apart I'd better check the security of the piston rod ends that flex when the ankle shifts front to back and allows the foot to twist in its socket.

http://i.imgur.com/v12gpc3.jpg


That feature has not be available for quite some time due to the inoperability of the socket joint and gave Lucie a pigeon toed appearance in her recent photos.

The leg assembly at the rear left of the photo below has the center toe unable to flex up and if memory serves that is the toe that broke off a few years ago. That toe will have to be reworked as well.

http://i.imgur.com/FTT1HtN.jpg


Everything is functional on the right foot now so it is ready to be reassembled with my little guy looking on for scale.

http://i.imgur.com/68cNULL.jpg


You lose perspective on how big these feet are until you see them off the leg and along side a scale human figure.
 
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Left Foot Repair:

Reviving this thread serves two purposes other than demonstrating the rehabilitation of Lucie.

Theres a lot of new forums I post on now that have not seen how Lucie was assembled originally and while I constantly refer to the model there are no visible representations of how she works.

There are also I'm sorry to say picture empty posts where the image storage website has gone belly up and all the images are gone.

Anyway here's how Lucie's toes are attached and now that I have the toe off I cannot see why it won't flex.......?

Everything seems okay.

http://i.imgur.com/CvrFk6z.jpg


While I have the leg disassembled its a good time to show the flexibility of the ankle I mentioned in the above post.

Lucie has fully functional spherical ankle joints just as in the real Warhound the FW model is taken from. Later I'll explain in depth how the cylinder and piston rod ends are produced if anyone is interested.

The red arrow points to the ankle flexed......

http://i.imgur.com/V5dOzqn.jpg


and extended...........
http://i.imgur.com/L1G9RCZ.jpg
 
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Toe Pistons and Cylinders and Blackadder's Shame:

Each toe has three actuators; two at the base that extends and flexes the intermediate phalanges (Red arrows) and one actuator (Yellow arrows)that extends and flexes the distal phalanges (Blue arrows).

http://i.imgur.com/rpKDWDr.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/kMPSDmX.jpg


Now for the part I am ashamed of, after I completed the feet I found the side toes did not touch the ground when the foot was flexed and I excoriated FW for a flaw in their design.

Well it turned out I was the one in error because the very savvy FW engineers did make allowances for the toes to swivel at their base; (Green Arrows) It was I who did not pick up on it.

I went back to correct the error but I would have had to make each toe less wide to accomplish the modification and it was there that I drew the line. But a note to anyone attempting to replicate these assemblies; be aware of my error and plan accordingly.
 
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Big Butted Woman:

While I feel ambitious I should add a bit more junk to Lucie's trunk. Right now Lucie's hull weighs about one and a half pounds (3/4 kilo) including about 8 ounces
of scrap lead. If I hollow out the rest of the generator housings I will have room for an additional 10 ounces of lead weight which would make Lucie more stable on her feet.

http://i.imgur.com/D53ZahA.jpg


I shouldn't need that much but there is room for it.

I was going to link Rob Bartlett's hilarious song parody rendering of the 'Big Butted Woman' but it may be too risqué for a SFW forum.
 
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A Poltergeist Named Dave:

Well here's the family portrait taken after a bit of an incident where Luteus toppled over on top of Lucie.

http://i.imgur.com/UT7Sm6z.jpg


I set up the Warlord and the Reaver last night on the battle board with the Cadian planning to take a group portrait this morning after I installed the counterweights in Lucie which worked very well incidentally. I added a quarter pound to the generator housings and for the first time in a couple of years Lucie can pose bending forward.

http://i.imgur.com/j997PgH.jpg


So why was the Warhound facing the wall in the first picture you may well ask?

I was setting up the camera when I heard a crash behind me; twelve pounds of Warlord styrene for no apparent reason crashed down upon Lucie flattening her down under it's mass. First thing I did was look for the cat but it was nowhere around. Then I surveyed the damage.

Lucie had all her breakaway armour displaced and the battle banner broke off for the twentieth time.

Some of the magnet attached armour fell off the Warlord and the prime was a wee bit scuffed but no significant damage to him as well that I could readily see

http://i.imgur.com/wOVNKHk.jpg


I set everything back up and snapped a few quick pictures before I realized Lucie was still facing the wall.

I turned her around and finish photographing it was then I noticed the Laser cannons on the left shoulder of Luteus were knocked askew.so there we have it.

http://i.imgur.com/jkX5ykM.jpg


A poltergeist named Dave knocked the Warlord over after it had been standing for almost twelve hours. Here is a picture of Dave..............
 
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