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Some notifications from Undead Legions ie tk vs vc
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I was thinking of doing just that, now the real question is whether 20 toughness 3 with a 4+ save are the same as 10 toughness 4 with a 2+ save... wil have to test in game to really get a good feel for it, but i recon that t4 is maybe worth the special slot..
20 full command with light armour light cav is 310pts while 10 full command with barding, lances and banner of swiftness black knights are 305pts. Which make better wound markers are up for debate.
20 full command with light armour light cav is 310pts while 10 full command with barding, lances and banner of swiftness black knights are 305pts. Which make better wound markers are up for debate.
T4 2+ is a gigantic improvement over T3 4+, are you guys kidding me? This is not about cost, it's about the fact that you're delivering your most precious piece (your General) into combat in an army based around the Unstable USR. If you feed combat res, you're going to lose your Lord, thus drastically limiting the type of units your Lord and his bus can engage. Things like Spear Elves can barely threaten a Black Knight bus but it will make you sweat bullets with a light cav bus.
The fact that your IoN brings back the same amount of Black Knights as light cav should be incentive enough to run the Black Knights, nevermind the fact that they're still WS S6 KB on the charge that can threaten anything in the game, including characters (I've had BKs KB characters more times than I can count). The more damage you can do as a unit means less work your Lord needs to do to carry the unit, and the greater swing for combat res in your favor, which means less models dead, which can mean the difference between staying there forever or crumbling to dust next turn.
The fact that your IoN brings back the same amount of Black Knights as light cav should be incentive enough to run the Black Knights, nevermind the fact that they're still WS S6 KB on the charge that can threaten anything in the game, including characters (I've had BKs KB characters more times than I can count). The more damage you can do as a unit means less work your Lord needs to do to carry the unit, and the greater swing for combat res in your favor, which means less models dead, which can mean the difference between staying there forever or crumbling to dust next turn.
Thats why i said the t4 might be worth the special slot 
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I was just thinking, now that we dont have to have VC lore on the general we can finally utilise forbidden lore, and take a lvl 4 with any lore and maybe two lvl 2 necros with lore of vampires to heal up units. Going to go for beasts first
savage beast on a blender wil be amazing, or even just a wild form on some black knights or crypt horrors.
.I was just thinking, now that we dont have to have VC lore on the general we can finally utilise forbidden lore, and take a lvl 4 with any lore and maybe two lvl 2 necros with lore of vampires to heal up units. Going to go for beasts first
savage beast on a blender wil be amazing, or even just a wild form on some black knights or crypt horrors. Last edited:
I agree that both black knights and horsemen are possible delivery methods for a character bus now, and while there is no difference in combat from the front for either if you have a full rank of characters, you still have to consider ranged attacks, magic and flank charges carefully when considering the more vulnerable horsemen as a bus.
Thing is even if you get flanked as long as you arent multi charged, you can make way in such a way that no actual light cav is in combat. Only works if there are 3 or more characters though.
Crumble is the defining factor though and that doesnt care if your toughness 3 or 8. If you think about it like that then 10 extra bodies mean that they can lose an extra 5 in cc more than black knights and it still makes no differance as the extra crumble is absorbed by the extra boddies. Now ranged attacks and magic might kill a few more than they would black knights. But you would still be able to raise them and invocation might be more valuable to them as more often than black knights you would probably rais the full 5 seeing as there are more to start with and they are more squishy.
Crumble is the defining factor though and that doesnt care if your toughness 3 or 8. If you think about it like that then 10 extra bodies mean that they can lose an extra 5 in cc more than black knights and it still makes no differance as the extra crumble is absorbed by the extra boddies. Now ranged attacks and magic might kill a few more than they would black knights. But you would still be able to raise them and invocation might be more valuable to them as more often than black knights you would probably rais the full 5 seeing as there are more to start with and they are more squishy.
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I take a unit of 9 horsemen with light armour + champ to bunker my hellsteed vamp lord, and they basically only exist against enemies with cannons otherwise I use them to hunt warmachines and clear chaff.
Yeah the unit is tiny, but since I'm not really concerned about breaking steadfast anyways I just run them 2-wide. That way only the VL and the champion can be attacked, and unless they get flanked there's only so many wounds that can actually be put on the unit.
It's not as effective as a BK bus, but it's also way cheaper, and more maneuverable/durable than a VL on foot. And if the opponent doesn't have cannons then I just run him in with whatever unit I feel like anyways.
As for other points, DO NOT use the casket to chip away at mainstay combat blocks. Do it when you don't have another good option, but with LD10 rerollable you're very unlikely to do much of anything. Instead use Light of Death to target warmachines, chaff, and flanking forces...i.e. things that aren't benefiting from LD upgrades.
Yeah the unit is tiny, but since I'm not really concerned about breaking steadfast anyways I just run them 2-wide. That way only the VL and the champion can be attacked, and unless they get flanked there's only so many wounds that can actually be put on the unit.
It's not as effective as a BK bus, but it's also way cheaper, and more maneuverable/durable than a VL on foot. And if the opponent doesn't have cannons then I just run him in with whatever unit I feel like anyways.
As for other points, DO NOT use the casket to chip away at mainstay combat blocks. Do it when you don't have another good option, but with LD10 rerollable you're very unlikely to do much of anything. Instead use Light of Death to target warmachines, chaff, and flanking forces...i.e. things that aren't benefiting from LD upgrades.
Can we talk about the Warsphinx vs Crypt Horrors? Both are designed to kill infantry, and tank stuff. They do it sort of differently though.
Warsphinxes seem like a fun thing to have if you where short a few points to have that 8x Horror block. They can take a breath weapon, and you can trade their attacks for a S 3(9 d3w) small template attack, and you still get the KB TG attacks. And since they can march now it's not slow either. You can give them a 4+ regen save with necrotects, and engines, but it's a super heavy commitment. Something to think about.
I wanna see a list with a ghoul block, with a vampire, and a necrotect. Some wolfs, 3 warsphinxes, and two engines. Seems like fun.
Warsphinxes seem like a fun thing to have if you where short a few points to have that 8x Horror block. They can take a breath weapon, and you can trade their attacks for a S 3(9 d3w) small template attack, and you still get the KB TG attacks. And since they can march now it's not slow either. You can give them a 4+ regen save with necrotects, and engines, but it's a super heavy commitment. Something to think about.
I wanna see a list with a ghoul block, with a vampire, and a necrotect. Some wolfs, 3 warsphinxes, and two engines. Seems like fun.
The warsphinx is 50x100 I believe. It's significantly worse vs non infantry though. That is to be said. It gets no thunderstomps, and I seem to remember it can't thundercrush non infantry?
So yeah. It eats infantry for breakfast, but vs other stuff the only thing it does is have T8. I'd try one or two, but you'd need something else to balance out the list, me thinks.
So yeah. It eats infantry for breakfast, but vs other stuff the only thing it does is have T8. I'd try one or two, but you'd need something else to balance out the list, me thinks.