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The Death of a Vampire: Confessions of a veteran gamer

Danceman

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* This post is not an 8th edition rant. This post is not about VC dropping/rising in power.

Now that we've got that out of the way and you've read my overly dramatic thread-title I supposed I better explain myself! Anyways, this post is about time, not about having time, but about time passing by and what mark it leaves on us. Let us go back in time and look at our previous installment and what it had and didn't have both compared to what many wanted and compared to the our current army book.

The most important part of our previous army book was, and if you've seen my posts in 8th edition threads you probably know this already, the bloodline powers. I couldn't believe GW actually decided to move away from this fantastic concept which really gave Vampire Counts so much character.

The second most important points to me was how our units were designed, indeed, how much better defined they were. Our core is definitely the most obvious example of this. Ghouls were alive! and mobile, Skeletons were our ranked soldiers and Zombies were the cannon fodder(but not the pathetic unit it is now). Even as a Strigoi player I was not annoyed with my vampires not being able to join Ghouls. It would have been nice but hardly needed, especially not at the price we later had to pay by not only having them form up in ranks but also be 'undead'.

The magic phase was, put simply, a giant mistake. The magic quite simply took up too much room in the new book. I know magic is a big part of VC but the boring 'Yahtzee' like magic phase was, and is, poorly designed. Especially when you consider the fun factor.

The Bloodlines I've already mentioned. The part I want to discuss the most are the powers themselves and how they're divided(or rather the lack of the division). I simply do not see the point of having them in different sections(beyond giving the appearence of seperation). When they decided to take my beloved bloodline Strigoi and use it as a big beasts with no magical capabilities and... well, you all know the varghulf rules. This just annoyed the hell out of me.

Then there is the 8th edition. This is the big one for me, I not even know if I am going to play this edition at all but we've got enough threads about 8th to last us a lifetime so I'm leaving this one be.

So what am I saying with this? I don't know really. I just think I've might have been with the hobby for too long(almost 12 years now) and perhaps this is a good time as any to say good night and good luck.

It has been one hell of a ride, that's for sure and I suspect the ride will be here still should I decide to jump on it again, hopefully. For now though I am going to wear a different set of colours(Going to turn to more specialist games and smaller... ok, tiny amy projects).

Cheers!
 

Count Darvaleth

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Bye! Have fun in Blood Bowl! (I always found that game really confusing xD )

Although I wasn't with VC when they had bloodlines, I did play against an opponent who did; and I agree, they are a loss. The Ghouls, however, when I played them, were seemingly useless; unless he only fielded too small a unit, but they seemed to do nothing. But yes, the death of bloodlines is certainly...pesky.

The Varghulf is a nice unit, but perhaps it could've been an upgrade for a Vampire? A Strigoi power? Anyway, good luck, and I hope you can find time to re-join us in-between games of Mordheim. :thumbsup:

* This post is not an 8th edition rant. This post is not about VC dropping/rising in power.
Tee hee, ranting is my job. xD
 
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Danceman good luck and prospor

I completely get your point. I've had a similar feeling with 40K. I started with Necromunda, dropped into 40k during 3th ed. And now I've nearly dropped out of 5th.
Regarding fantasy. I loved the bloodlines. 7th ed got me doubting. For 8th however it is still to early to tell. I've just had my first battle yesterday.

Yours
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Much like the changing of the seasons vampires have came and went. But there is always another to awaken when one climbs into there tomb to rest for eternity. I too have played since older edition's and seen the changes that have come to our beloved vampires. But alas they are still fun to play I am just glad they haven't went the way of chaos dwarves and dogs of war.
 

Capt Rubber Ducky

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Well good luck, it's always sad to see veterans leave the hobby. I've played a few specilist games before, great fun with the right people though not that good for being competitive. Though they do allow for more painting and modeling opportunities, no slogging through hundreds of models. Though I never played 6th edition when I first picked up the VC book I was disapointed not to see the bloodlines there.

I hope you do get round to the VC again, maybe with a new vampire book.
 
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I have played Warhammer Fantasy Battle since the 3rd edition, and so far I find the 8th edition shockingly fresh. The Vampire counts have been up-ended, and the game you have played for so long is not the same. I will dare say that the Counts have been nerfed, but this is for the health of the game. Vampires will still be able to triumph, but their victories will be harder to achieve and will become more meaningful.

The magic phase is vastly different now, and thus the Vampire Counts are also different. (It has taken me some agonizing loses for the start of 8th to realize that all VC generals need to throw out everything they previously thought they knew about the game, army composition and other related issues involving the Vampire Counts.) Yes the new magic phase is pretty wild, but after the Double-6 crowd burns themselves out on Purple Sun spam they will see how the game will shift in qualities and quantities.

So yes Danceman, they have changed the game yet again, but these changes are HUGE and will take some time to get adjusted to. ( I remember Undead armies that had no quality troops, Grave Guard, Blood Knights...ect..., all we had were skeletons and zombies; so in my eyes all of these newer units are wonderful.) So it is hard to see some of these older elements of the system go, Blood Lines were way cool and in a sense they are still in the rules but not as how you first learned and loved the game. The state of the game has been shaken to its core, but i feel that a majority of the changes will help balance the game system, and some changes are unpopular and even unfair to the VC general, but like all good soldiers the VC will find ways to win!

Perhaps you do need a break from the game, I did for most of the 6th edition, and yet I still come back to the game that has enthralled me for almost a quarter of a century.

Good Luck Danceman!
 

Danceman

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Yes, a break is probably what this will become. I try to avoid swearing off things completely as you never know when you might eat those words.

Dark Eldar seem to be getting their release in novermebr now which probably will steal me away to 40k for awhile. For now though, me and some friends have picked up mordheim and happily they're enjoying it. This allows me to focus on smaller armies and dedicate more time to each model, something 8th edition style armies won't me to(with increased unit sizes and so on).

I wish you all good luck with VC in this edition. Who knows, perhaps this vampire lord will stir from his slumber and once more stalk the nights. Carpe noctem, indeed!
 

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Danceman if you want something else then along the lines of Mordheim then might I suggest getting a copy of Warhammer Legends of the Old West. Its quite a cool game along the lines of Necromunda/Mordheim and I found it a very nice distraction from the whole Warhammer thing (its nothing like 40K or Fantasy).

A bunch of us just finished playing an extended campaign over 3 months and it has given me enough of a break from both to really appreciate having cool games again. I used to be a big performance and tweaked lists man, now I play for fun. I think the simplicity of a skirmish game gives you a nice break from things.

Hopefully you will come back refreshed, hobbies like this dont tend to let people go once they have them hooked.
 

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I hope we'll still be seeing you around here from time to time, Danceman. You really can use a break from things every now and then - myself, I think I've happened to get on the slippery slope that is starting a new army. Flimsy magic? Utter reliance on the general? Underachieving troops? No more for me good sir, for the Old World will shake under the tread of my blue-skinned mono-Khorne DoC horde! :vampire2:

I can't wait to get a game in against my mono-Khorne WoC-playing friend with my new Daemons. Heads are gonna roll. xD
 

Danceman

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I won't leave. This is place is so much home I am hardwired to visit this site on a subconcious level every time I open a web-browser :vampire2:

waaanial00; We'll see. It wasn't easy getting my mates to play Mordheim but who knows!

MS: Had a similiar idea though it might manifest itself as a beastmen army(though daemons definitely are appealing due to the totalt freedom you have in the modelling department).

Cheers, guys and gals!
 

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Well it's great to hear you will still be around CN, and with any luck the 8th edition will bring the return of the Bloodlines *fingers crossed*
 

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You know i had my first game of 8th ed the other day and i really enjoyed it, i can see what you mean about the newer book but i think this is sadly a very common thing, i haven't really liked many army books that GW released for 7th ed, hopefully 8th ed will see GW release some better army books, still with Kings of war on the way perhaps you could give your VC a try with those rules. At the end of the day GW is just a miniature company, you can use those models in whatever game you like!
 

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Too bad another good gamer is leaving upon the release of 8th edition. So many have fallen already...
Have a good time with those other... games. xD
 

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The undead of cryx could be calling:skull: For about 65€ you could have the ruleset and a very decent new plastic starter box for them. Might be a nice distraction for you.
 
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RE: The Death of a VampiConfessions of a veteran gamer

MasterSpark said:
Flimsy magic? Utter reliance on the general? Underachieving troops? No more for me good sir, for the Old World will shake under the tread of my blue-skinned mono-Khorne DoC horde! :vampire2:

With the exception of the blue skins ;) I'm heading this way too! Though the new magic reistance rules threw me a bit! I thought I would be getting all these lovely extra dispel dice against a 12 PD max opponent!! Still, all around 4+ ward, extending to 2+ on some things is nothing to sneeze at!
 

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darkmark; Yeah, I've heard a lot of good about that game. For now Mordheim will have to suffice. I am after all taking this break to "chill down" not load up on more projects xD

Verakin; We vampires do not fall, we just sleep for extended periods of time :grave:
 

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well good luck in your next projects. And i am sure it will just be a break as you never really leave the warhammer world you just go on sabatical. It always pulls you back in. Maybe tomb kings will. And hope you dont leave the community your input is always welcome.
 

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RE: The Death of a VampiConfessions of a veteran gamer

Danceman said:
darkmark; Yeah, I've heard a lot of good about that game. For now Mordheim will have to suffice. I am after all taking this break to "chill down" not load up on more projects xD

Verakin; We vampires do not fall, we just sleep for extended periods of time :grave:
I've never been into the gaming side of the hobby much, largely because I know few who partake, but I know where you're coming from. I left the hobby 5 years ago when I was 18 as I was disillusioned by the way Games Workshop as company was heading. It seemed to be getting less about the hobby and more about the company's bank balance. I made a return in November of last year when, after looking through my model case with my girlfriend, she decided to buy me some paint.

Since returning to the hobby I've never painted better. What is more, I think the break has done me some good at appreciating it again. Sometimes I guess it's good to get away. Enjoy the 'holiday', but most of all enjoy Mordheim, that is a truly great game and the reason I got into the hobby in the first place..
 
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It does seem as though GW is steering away from the idea of "theme" for the much dispised "playability" and the hated "easy to use". This became appartent to me when they replaced the Chaos Space Marines book. There are no more legions of evil marines comming out of the eye of terror, there are warbands. There are no more themed daemons backing up their patrons worshippers. Insted the new version of the chaos gods seem to be Best Friends Forever. I was sorly dissappointed when they axed the bloodlines in exchange for "vampire powers", and yes, while easier to play and easier to write up a list, it hit me hard too. But it was this mentality that GW has presented to us that drove my spiteful personality forward, and I decided to say "f*ck that, I'm going to do a themed army anyway". It started with my Host Of Slaanesh Daemon Army which, while limited in the scope of playability, won the eyes of the painting judges at various tournaments and I was rewarded with an award I didnt know GW would allow to exist; "Best Theme".

One doesnt need to forsake a game in order to play a themed army. Hold true to the universe, and hobby, we have come to love and you will be rewarded.
 

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The current book took my favourite theme and turned into some backstreet freakshow. Strigoi vampires operating as ferious beasts a long side Von Carteins? It just goes beyond silly. There is no chance a Strigoi vampire would subject itself to a Von Carstein, its blood and hatred forbids it. I suppose this is why I feel the way I feel and why I am having a hard time to play with this army I've come to know and love. It isn't what I once knew and now I want a divorce.

There are times when GW has done this well, with beastmen for example. Marks were a fairly new thing for them and the nature of its current incarnation makes more sense(and have gone back to the old school, which I like). Though as you say, GW seems to have moved towards a more streamlined game where fluff takes the backseat and resides more within the mind of the players and what they do with background/models themselves. Who knows, perhaps I will once more find the will bring forth my deadites from their graves. Perhaps the world haven't seen the last of the vampire formely known as Blood.

For now the future is uncertain and for some reason that is comforting. I admit I sometimes I pick up the VC book, thinking to myself, what if... :silent: So who knows?
 
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RE: The Death of a VampiConfessions of a veteran gamer

You don't know what you just did, but you are a genius any-how! You just laid-out your theme!

Danceman said:
The current book took my favourite theme and turned into some backstreet freakshow. Strigoi vampires operating as ferious beasts a long side Von Carteins? It just goes beyond silly. There is no chance a Strigoi vampire would subject itself to a Von Carstein, its blood and hatred forbids it. I suppose this is why I feel the way I feel and why I am having a hard time to play with this army I've come to know and love. It isn't what I once knew and now I want a divorce.

For now the future is uncertain and for some reason that is comforting. I admit I sometimes I pick up the VC book, thinking to myself, what if... :silent: So who knows?
The unholiest of the Unholy! A self-hating, "backstreet freakshow" married by convenience to the Von Carstien line. The blackest of all the black-sheep!

Run with-it Danceman!

(Just trying to give you some inspiration:vampire3:!)
 
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I wanted to be the VC, so I got the VC book. Everything looked cool until I read the 8th edition and this forum. Now I don't want to be the VC. There goes my dreams...

Are the Tomb Kings any good?
 

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StrigoiPerogi: You certainly did! Not sure if I'll go down that route but the cogs are starting to turning once more. Although this newfound inspiration I do not think I'll actually play any games for awhile and just stick to modelling. It shall be a glorious army!

Count Pickleskins; Make your army interchangable. Grave Guard as Tomb Guard, skeletons as... well, skeletons, etc etc. Tomb Kings are also one of the armies who's rumoured to get a new army book quite soon so it might be worth holding out for just a little longer. That said, Tomg Kings are still playable in the 8th editions but suffers a bit from having a fairly old book.

Cheers
 

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Sorry to hear you're haning up the zombie batPope cape on 8th edition, but I can fully understand where you're coming from! I've recently re started after about a year long break (I had been playing for a meager 5 years then) mainly due to time restrictions. So long as you're not leaving the site for good we'll all be happy!

Best of luck with all the free time you'll have in place of painting/modeling/playing ;)
 
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