VC - 40K - Army List

[Disciple of Nagash]

Well it seems that the Background has generally been agreed on. In that case I would suggest we start looking at an army list. By that I don't mean we have to decide on all the units now, but rather we just decide unit "types", which can be adjusted to or added to later.

This is so we have a guideline to work from when creating the actual units later.

So here are my initial suggestions (note most don't have fluffy names):

HQ:
Chiro Progenitor
Chiro 2nd gen
(The above could be equipped with agile Dreadnought)
Cythor Fiend Warlord

Elites:
Cythor Fiend Veterans
Chiro Squad - (young generations)

Core:
Zombies
Nano Infected Humans (but no Chiro)
Young Cythors

Fast Attack
Cythor Fiends
Stealth Cythors

Heavy:
Heavy Tank Type Skimmer
Uber Cannon
Chiro agile Dreadnought
Cythor Monster

Not much, but I thought the rest of you would have plenty of ideas xd

 

[Marcus Von Drac]

Some kind of sentry gun unit? Aka big crystal powering biiiiiiig gun. Like an Uber-lascannon kinda thing. Or maybe like the Eldar Prism Cannon?

And perhaps some kind of Chiro stealth unit. So equipped with a cloaking field. Similar to the Tau stealthsuits.

 

[Meier Lenk]

fast attack-medium type skimmers :)

we could perhaps have light skimmers taking the role of transport for elite, heavy support (see below) and HQ units?

we could formulate some kind of non-mechanised artillery i guess? i think fluff wise itd have to be lower tier chiro that man it, as the cythor are gonna be too weak physically and zombies are....zombies.

 

[Sanai]

You sure we want zombies to be our only troop choice?
I dont see how cythor would be too weak to man artillery. Its not like they have to push it around, they arent that low tech.
Perhaps some kind of fast attack vehicle and a cythor troops choice aswell.

 

[Morbraelle]

Elite/ HQ choice: Chiropteran Deathnought. (basically think of a venerable dreadnought, but instead of a half-dead space-marine inside it, a Chiro has used his nanos to incorporate himself into a large 'war body'. this could be from one of the houses, probably the one that has focused on technology.

 

[Sanai]

Or perhaps the more warlike house.

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

The following sounds pretty good:

Uber Killing Gun. This could be the idea that I spoke about with the sonic cannon in the weapons thread - perhaps this could be a variant of the heave skimmer?

Stealth / Scout unit sounds good - should this be Chiro or Cythor though? I see reasons for both really, or perhaps we even have both.

Where has this idea come from the Cythor's are weak - last I checked we agreed in them being strong, but weak defensively.

I don't think we should have light skimmers - too many other have them. The idea behind the heavy skimmer was that they haven't recently developed that tech, and so need something the size of a tank to actually power it.

I think if we want some medium / small vehicles / transport, they should either be wheeled or perhaps even hovercraft?

Sanai - That list isn't the final result - it is a start for us to add to. Zombies are an obvious core choice - any other ideas for core choices?

Morbraelle - Yeah like the Dreadnought idea is great, if we have a fully alive Chiro merging himself with a more agile mechanical body.

 

[Marcus Von Drac]

Just a thought. For Troops (Not core, 40K remember xD) - Young Feinds. Aka not fully grown, still fast and agile but not with powerful wings, so they could be beasts?

 

[Vlad Von Carstien]

maybe like a ghoul-ish unit like mutants or maybe initiate chrio dudes because it looks pretty lacking right now in troops. I was thinking a more storm trooper feel. they could have some kind of engine powered transports what about more like valkyrie transports

 

[Meier Lenk]

i reckon the cythor should be allowed the stealth/scout niche rather than the chiro, simply because to me it doesnt particularly make sense to build a specialised chiro stealther when the cythor will have been capable of these roles for their whole existence as a species (pretty much anyway).

itd be kinda like trying to built a stealthy-gaunt when youve got lictors in your army list imo :lol:

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

Just a thought. For Troops (Not core, 40K remember xD) - Young Feinds. Aka not fully grown, still fast and agile but not with powerful wings, so they could be beasts?

Yeah I really like that idea. It would make an interesting troop choice that move quite fast, maybe like the Ghouls for 40K.

maybe like a ghoul-ish unit like mutants or maybe initiate chrio dudes because it looks pretty lacking right now in troops. I was thinking a more storm trooper feel. they could have some kind of engine powered transports what about more like valkyrie transports

Well what I thought was there could be some humans who were not turned into zombies, but we still nano-infected. Perhaps somekind of experiment to produce better zombies, however due to the difficulty they can't have lots of them.

i reckon the cythor should be allowed the stealth/scout niche rather than the chiro, simply because to me it doesnt particularly make sense to build a specialised chiro stealther when the cythor will have been capable of these roles for their whole existence as a species (pretty much anyway).

itd be kinda like trying to built a stealthy-gaunt when youve got lictors in your army list imo :lol:

Yeah I would be ok with that as well. that would mean we have a decent cross section of Cythor Fiends in the army.

 

[Sanai]

How about we make sure we have options.
One thing I did not like about say the Vampire Counts army book, is it is impossible to effectivly field a purist army (e.g. all skelly or all vamp or all ghoul)
We should leave the option open to have a large pure cythor army or a small force of chiros or a mad chiro with his army of zombies and machines.

 

[Capt Rubber Ducky]

How about a really big monster (I'm thinking deamon prince sized) cythor in the heavy support. I like sanai's idea about the ability to use a very cythore heavy force if you want to.

I think the heavy skimmers could work but it occured to me how few vehicals in 40k have acctual wheels (many have tracks but i can only think of ork vehicals that use wheels and those are well orkified)

 

[Sanai]

I think skimmers would be more likely, as wheeled vehicles arent very useful in caves, which do not have level floors.
Perhaps their transport skimmers would be somewhat smaller than others (perhaps one that carries 5 cythors as passengers, with kewl mounted weapons. They would be purchased in squadrons that attach to a squad (2 for a ten man squad, etc) The small size is due to the fact it can get a bit tight for large vehicles in those caves.

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

OK, I have updated the first post with some of the proposed ideas.

We definitley have have enough Cythor units to to have an all Cythor Fiend army, so I think we also need to concentrate on the Chiro / tech side of stuff.

Any more ideas?

 

[Marcus Von Drac]

I'm seeing some kind of Chiro infiltration unit, used to sneak forward and scout out enemy positions. Not to be confused with stealth Cythors, these guys role would be more like Tau pathfinders, pinpointing enemies for the rest of the army to destroy, and lay traps etc.

 

[Sanai]

How about we give the chiro veterans both of those as options.

 

[Meier Lenk]

mmhmm, we could have, for example, "this unit may be made scouts at +4 pt. per model, with infers the scout and move through cover abilities"...or something to that effect.

...im not too keen on them being pathfinders mind, thats definitely tau flavouring, we need to be careful not to take all the cooler bits from other armies to build this list imo.

...i dont think the cythor should be able to use transports personally, they dont really need them fluff wise, so i think transport should be limited to the chiro.

 

[Sanai]

Lenk, just because they can fly, doesnt mean they can fly as fast and as protected as a transport enables them too. Also, some of them may be too heavily equiped to fly naturally, and use transports instead.

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

I agree that I can't really see Cythor's having transports in the field. Bar the young ones, all the others will have wings aka jump packs.

As for the other troops choices......well perhaps yes they could do with a transport, but what type though?

 

[Meier Lenk]

Lenk, just because they can fly, doesnt mean they can fly as fast and as protected as a transport enables them too. Also, some of them may be too heavily equiped to fly naturally, and use transports instead.

on the other hand, why would cythor be used to lug heavy weaponry around when youve got chiroptera that can do that, with heavier weapons and more easily?

transports tend to get used not because they infer more protection (they dont in real terms-for example a space marine squad is safer outside a rhino than in one in general) but rather because they allow faster deployment. the cythor will be able to move with as much haste personally as in a transport, and will be no more vulnerable either way.

as to transports DoN, im not sure. since the chiro are ex-imperial im not against the notion of them using some highly modified version of the chimera or a similar transport; the hull itself is pretty easy to produce fluff wise; the modification would come in terms of weaponry and possible shielding imo. but at the same time im not sure itd work in terms of the look and flavour we are trying to make.

 

[Sanai]

Meir, im pretty sure the ex imperial thing doesnt mean they still use imperial tech. They have left that far behind. Would also ruin the look and flavour.
Also, any transport is going to be much faster than a bat, also longer ranged.
Its like cavalry. People can walk to places fine, but a horse walks faster and without tiring the soldier on top.

 

[Meier Lenk]

i dunno, bats are pretty damn fast. bigger bats will be able to generate more lift and be faster.

DoN suggested they be jump pack infantry, which is what i was going off there.

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

Yeah as I said all the Cythors will have jump packs basically, so it would not make sense for them to have a transport.

 

[Sanai]

Okay, whatever everyone agrees on.
One thing tho, Meir Lenk said stuff about chiros fielding heavy weapons. Im not sure it would feel right seeing vampires running around with great big heavy weapons...
Maybe their equiv of a heavy weapon is like an anti material sniper rifle.