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Your Favorite Mortarch?

Who's your favorite Mortarch?


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#1
Like it says on the tin - who's your favorite Mortarch and why? Tactical, aesthetic, and narrative factors are all welcome in this conversation.

And yes... I'm interested to read your opinions so I can form my own. But I'm also interested in reading your opinions for the hell of it.
 

Mad 'At

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I'm moving the thread to Gateway to the Realms since it is a much broader topic than a tactical one.

As for the topic, I went for Arkhan. I think his model is the coolest looking of the three. Manfred is simply too buff, and Neferata, I don't really not why but I never cared for the model. I also enjoyed Arkhans role during the End Times more than the other too. Mannfred I can never forgive for his final back stab, and Neferata for just giving up and vanishing halfway through. Also, if I ever were to field any of them in a game of End Times 8th, it'd probably be Arkhan, though that one is a tight one as I find all three have quite interesting rules.
 

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Neferata would be my favourite, for narrative reasons. I really like the political and subtle side to her background, and female characters in leading roles are more interesting to me as far as vampire or undead armies are concerned.

I like Arkhan and Mannfred as well, but the former is of less interest to me in terms of the narrative, while the latter is just too popular.
 

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Definitely Neferata. She was good in end times and in AoS. She seems the most level headed out of all the Death characters left. I like that Nulahmia had mortals living in it. Unlike Nagash and Mannfred she actually tries to work with Sigmar because she's crafty and knows that allies are in short supply.



Plus, her fluff in her rules are great and it's nice to have more ladies in AoS.
 
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I've always Loved Mannfred from way back in the first Undead book, not to mention his fluff as the most devious of all the Counts. Plus he is the only Vampire count to be named after a band in the whole game.
 

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Mannfred, I'd say, I like having a mighty vampire since Vlad is no more and vampires still don't have their own book. Audio-dramas about Mannfred are just so great in portraying him, he is so charismatic and full of character...
 
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Arkhan is the best, his EoT actions show this. For example, he have out-smarted Mannfred, not letting the vampire to spoil the resurrection of Nagash. He had also sent Krell to help Neferata, effectively saving her un-life. He also bested Kemmler in a magic duel, and Kemmler was a very powerful wizard.

He is also truly loyal to Nagash, so he is the only one who is trusted with most secrets and plans of the Great Necromancer. A very high position, I think.
 
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Like it says on the tin - who's your favorite Mortarch and why? Tactical, aesthetic, and narrative factors are all welcome in this conversation.

And yes... I'm interested to read your opinions so I can form my own. But I'm also interested in reading your opinions for the hell of it.
ARKHAN THE BADASS!!! He's really radical dude!
 
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#10
I'd say Arkhan.
He has always been a faithful and loyal lieutenant for Nagash, in a setting where betrayal is common.
And, despite the hostility between Nagash and Settra, Arkhan managed to mantain a powerful position in Nehekhara, up to the point that he was included in the TK 8th armybook.
These two things alone tell a lot about the guy.

And I also like his rules
 

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#11
fluff/thematically: Arkhan, easily, for reasons already mentioned.

Mechanically... I don't know. Arkhan suffered quite with the introduction of the summoning restrictions and rules of one in the general's handbook. So maybe Neferata? Mannfred's probably a bit stronger, but Nef's command ability is great.

Things could easily flip back to Arkhan, though, if there's any change to the summoning restrictions or rules of one in the GHII, or if Arkhan ever gets access to one of those battle tome spell lores, so that his ability to borrow spells from allied death wizards doesn't have him trampling the casting opportunities of his own acolytes.
 
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Neferata, of course!

To me, Arkhan is just Nagash's shadow, always inferior to his master. As others have said, he's "just" a faithful servant.

Mannfred is just the same lil' bitch as always, i'd pick Vlad over him any day.
...can I say Vlad von Carstein, Mortarch of Shadow?

Because I'd pick him over any other one.
I feel you, i would pick him over anyone else too. Never understood why they had to switch to Mannfred as the main VC character, he's such a less interesting character compared to Vlad.

Anyway, i also don't like his model, he looks like he's riding something from the matrix and doesn't fit at all in the WF aesthetics.

So i'm going with Neferata because A) we wouldn't even have vampires if it wasn't for her, B) her model is just so much cooler, C) the other two are just not charismatic enough for me. D) Fluff-wise she's the most important vampire character in the history of the warhammer world.
 
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Neferata, of course!

To me, Arkhan is just Nagash's shadow, always inferior to his master. As others have said, he's "just" a faithful servant.

Mannfred is just the same lil' bitch as always, i'd pick Vlad over him any day.
I feel you, i would pick him over anyone else too. Never understood why they had to switch to Mannfred as the main VC character, he's such a less interesting character compared to Vlad.

Anyway, i also don't like his model, he looks like he's riding something from the matrix and doesn't fit at all in the WF aesthetics.

So i'm going with Neferata because A) we wouldn't even have vampires if it wasn't for her, B) her model is just so much cooler, C) the other two are just not charismatic enough for me. D) Fluff-wise she's the more important vampire character in the history of the warhammer world.
I stay with Arkhan, but I agree that Neferata is top tier, fluff-wise.
And yeah, I'll pick Vlad over Mannfred, too.

On a general note, regarding aesthetics, I'm not totally sold to the abyssal mounts of the mortarchs
 
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I stay with Arkhan, but I agree that Neferata is top tier, fluff-wise.
And yeah, I'll pick Vlad over Mannfred, too.

On a general note, regarding aesthetics, I'm not totally sold to the abyssal mounts of the mortarchs
Yeah me too man, i think they stray too much from the canon aesthetics of the warhammer world. They really look too sci-fi for my taste. Also i chose Neferata because her mount is covered in armor more than the other two, so it hides it a bit xD
 
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#15
To be honest I don't know anything about the lore from fantasy or AoS.
I'm relatively new to Warhammer as a whole.

That being said I like Mannfred. Personally I like the idea of an aggressive Nosferatu looking vampire lord.
I also love the aesthetic of the Dread Abyssal + Morghast.
Those look awesome to me, especially when compared to old out-dated goofy zombies/skeletons.
 

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#16
I feel you, i would pick him over anyone else too. Never understood why they had to switch to Mannfred as the main VC character, he's such a less interesting character compared to Vlad.
Eh. Vlad always struck me as very 'generic Dracula'. Like he's cool, sure, but kinda only because generic Dracula is a cool template to begin with. I like Mannfred's scheming and ambition, his reach always exceeding his grasp. Not that he's any more original as a character than Vlad is, he's basically just Vampire Starscream, but still, I find him endlessly entertaining.

Then again, Starscream was always my favorite as well.
 

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The romance angle is also just part of the generic dracula template at this point, and it loses points with me because GW never really did anything with Isabella to make her interesting as a character in her own right.
 

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Bestimmt. But I'd say that if Vlad remained alive and were in AoS or if would be developed further in FB, he could have been also cooler and more interesting like Mannfred now.
 

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Meh. Vlad had a good death. Even better than his first death. Let him lie.

Bring Back Isabella instead, there's a character who both needs and deserves extra attention and characterization. Let her step up to fill her fallen husbands shoes. Let her play a gender swapped version of the traditional Dracula archetype - that's not a big divergence from the trope, but it's enough of one to work for a game setting. Plus, she was alive with Neferata at the end of things, so if Nef is around, no reason for Izzy not to be.

Or Khalida for that matter, another character who would be great to see in AoS. In fact, I'd love to see her relationship with Neferata developed. Like, she hated Nef in the old world, but they all but buried the hatchet during the End Times. It would be cool to see them as friends in AoS. Or friendly rivals, at least.


Bring Back Izzy as the leader of a 'New Sylvania' death faction mixing undead and living warriors of Shyish. Bring Khalida back as the leader of a revised and fleshed out Deathrattle faction bringing back some elements of the old Tomb Kings (animated statues, archers, chariots, catapults). Arkhan would probably still be my favorite mortarch, but the two of them could easily come close if handled well.
 

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#21
Honestly, there's no reason to restrict Nagash's friendcircle to 3, when in the past he always favored 9. And there are tons of great ideas just sitting around for expansion of the Mortarch's ranks:

Old Characters:

* as mentioned, Khalida and Isabella. Both survived to the very end, both are interesting characters who saw drastic changes in their dynamics during the End Times that would provide a compelling starting point for new directions in their characterization moving forward.

* Krell, and old favorite. Not a ton of personality, but that's not a mark against him, it's kind of the point of his archetype, and he always played it well. I'd love to see a new Krell model mounted on a dread abyssal.

* Dieter. The End Times saw his transformation from a human necromancer/liche into a supernatural being managing the flow of souls in the underworld for Nagash so that the big guy could focus on mortal affairs. It would be interesting to bring him back in a sort of Charon to Nagash's Hades sort of role. He wouldn't even need an in game presence, he could work as just a background character, managing the day to day duties of a god of death for Nagash. Maybe play him off as loyal and dedicated, but somewhat exasperated by his master's focus on mortal affairs to the detriment of managing the afterlife. That said, while a backseat role in the fluff would work for him, he could also work on table as a massive incorporeal spectral figure, sort of like Sauron in his guise as the Necromancer in lord of the rings lore. You could play him up as the direct commander of Nagash's Nighthaunt forces, and tie that into his role managing the flow of souls.


New Characters:

* that Stormcast guy Nagash captured. The first corrupted Stormcast would make for a great mortarch, and a powerful symbol re-asserting Nagash's dominion over the dead. He could come in at the head of an entire corrupted undead stormcast minifaction.

* that 'first ghoul' guy hinted at in the Flesh Eaters battletome, whether it turns out to be Ushoran or someone else. A Ghoulish mortarch would fill an undead-type conceptual niche currently missing, and Nagash recapturing this guy and using him to assert dominance over the Flesh Eaters more generally could provide an interesting narrative arc.


Missing Conceptual Niches: So far we have two vampyric mortarchs and one skeleton/lich/necromancer type mortarch. But there are several classes of undead that it would be cool to see represented at the Mortarch level.

* as mentioned above, there's currently no Ghoulish mortarch

* a ghostly mortarch would be cool (maybe Dieter?)

* Arkhan is a skeletal Mortarch, but we don't have one that's explicitly a wight. Maybe bring back Krell?

* The morghasts are compelling units that really set the look for GW's end times undead, it would be great to see them expanded with heroes, named characters, and maybe a mortarch of their own.

* Zombies are pretty bottom rung, but if the deadwalker faction gets expanded with some higher ranked creature types (flesh golems, maybe?), I could see a rotting fleshy mortarch being an interesting possibility

* Arkhan and Mannfred are pretty sorcerous already, but there's certainly room for a more specifically mortal necromancer type, perhaps heading up an expanded deathmages subfaction. Maybe use the opportunity to describe an in-setting college or academy of necromancers serving nagash that attracts (or abducts) prospective students from across all the various planes? Maybe something that practiced openly before the grand alliance of the gods collapsed, and has become a cursed legend in the time since?


And then there's Nagash's current narrative push to try and re-assert his dominion over the various non-death-but-still-basically-undead factions, any of which could see a Death faction counterpart, potentially led by their own Mortarch

* as mentioned above, undead stormcasts are the most obvious

* maybe death-faction corrupted sylvaneth spirits/haunted woods?

* death faction corrupted chaos warriors?

* maybe death-faction elves stolen from the elven gods as they wrest those souls back from Slaanesh? I'd frankly love to see the elves in general split out into separate alliances rather than all holed up in the already overcrowded order subfaction. Perhaps the newly reborn war-aspect Alarielle might find Sigmar's ways too restrictive and unnatural, and take her Sylvaneth elves to Destruction? Perhaps Malekith, or whatever he's called now, might reappear to try and take the elven souls Tyrion and Teclis free from Slaanesh, only to be killed by the brothers and cast into the underworld, where Malekith could strike a bargain with Nagash to return as a mortarch, and the elven souls he stole before being cut down could return as a new semi-undead shadow-elf subfaction?


The Death alliance is so anemic at this point that there's really nothing but room for expansion, both in terms of subfactions and in terms of named characters, Mortarchs or otherwise.
 

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#22
Wow wow! This would be too drastic, all of this, and let's not forget Death is not Chaos and does not corrupt everything it wishes to. And don't also forget quantity is not always quality as well, so let's not be hasty. Krell is practically with us but not as a mortarch, so Vlad and Isabella would be welcome, but chances are all new characters will be more new than old.
 

Oppenheimer

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#23
I like it. A Mortarch for each faction.
The Nameless = Nighthaunt
First Flesheater = Flesheater
Krell = Deathrattle
Arkhan = Deathmage
Neferata = Soulblight
Mannfred = Deathwalker
 
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Wow wow! This would be too drastic, all of this, and let's not forget Death is not Chaos and does not corrupt everything it wishes to. And don't also forget quantity is not always quality as well, so let's not be hasty. Krell is practically with us but not as a mortarch, so Vlad and Isabella would be welcome, but chances are all new characters will be more new than old.
I agree for new models / units. However, mortarchs are old characters with improvements, so it would make sense to give such an advantage to old ones
 

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#25
But not always old are better than new, I also tend to think completely new characters would be more interesting.
 
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