After having sold off 1000 points of painted vamp counts earlier this year, I am finally motivated by the return of nagash to begin work on rebuilding my undead forces. I will be aiming to come up with a paint scheme that is both easier and more menacing than my previous, traditional red & black von carstein theme.
While I don't feel my initial outing was painted poorly (LINK), the color scheme itself wasn't working for me. Too bright. Too warm. The models looked like they were marching to battle in the noonday sun. I want to try something more reserved, a bit more somber, something that feels more arcane. A 'necromancer' or 'necrarch' type color scheme rather than a 'von carstein' color scheme, even if the chief vampire in my list will still be manfred.
I do have an initial idea, for skeletal models at least. I'm going to try for an ethereal effect with the bones, with black for the cloth bits and maybe some sort of darker bronzy metal color? I'm not sure. I'll need to experiment, test models should start showing up in later posts.
In the mean time, I'm starting with an inventory on my surviving collection.
Characters
- Mannfred on nightmare
- Vampire hero on nightmare
- Kemmler conversion
- Krell
- Vlad
- Konrad
- casty Vampire lord on foot
- Ghoul King
- fighty vampire lord on dragon (half converted)
- a couple vampire heros on foot
- mounted wight king
- a couple wight kings on foot, including a bsb
- a couple old necromancers
- 4 wraiths, converted from empire wizards
- 1 old metal wraith.
- 1 old metal banshee
Yes, I have way too many characters, given how small the rest of my army is. Keep in mind, I did just sell 1000 points, most of which was core troops.
My previous army was Von Carstein theme, but now I'll be going for a Nagash/Necromancer bent, so I've got way more vampires than I need. Also, the bsb is half painted in my old scheme, and uses plastic parts, so ill need to paint over him. If that obscures too much detail, he'll be unusable. And the necromancers and one of the wraiths are kind of old. I don't much like them anymore, and will probably be replacing the necromancers. Unless I run a unit of wraiths, I think 4 should be enough of them. I do like the new wraith better than my conversions, but that only works if I'm running a single wraith, it looks too different to use it and my current models in the same army, and if I'm using more than one I'd rather stick with the wizardy wraiths and avoid the chorus line effect of having more than one of the static pose GW models.
Other than maybe replacing the necromancers & bsb, I don't think I need any new characters right away. I mean, apart from Nagash, of course. That may change based on Nagash's campaign list.
Core
- 50 zombies
- 10 bases of unit filler
- 10 res tokens of zombies digging up from the ground
- 1 unopened box of zombies (unpictured)
- close to 100 count total
(sorry for blurry image)
- 28 hw & shield skeletons
- 10 unassembled skeletons
- 1 unopened box of skeletons
- approximately 40 skeletons total, after taking out test models
- 21 ghouls
I am shy on core. If I want to run Nagash, I'll need 1000 points, plus raising fodder. That said, I don't want to go overboard before the campaign book comes out, as Nagash's list may have different core units available.
Also, the zombies are gw models, which poses a bit of a question. I'm not that big a fan of the gw zombs, but I already have a bunch of them, and I don't like the mantic ones much more, plus they aren't much cheaper, so do I make the jump, or stick with what ive got?
And some of the skeletons and zombies are primed black, while my current painting plan, for the skeletons at least, starts with a white undercoat, so that may-or-may-not be a problem.
anyway, a vc battalion would probably be a decent purchase. Two would get me up to two units of 30 ghouls, two units of 40 skeletons, 2 corpse carts (I'd love them, if only they could march; as it is, that should probably read 'two necromancers' instead), and more dogs than I could shake a stick at, but it will have to wait until after Nagash and his campaign book. My funds are limited, so depending on the cost of nagash & his book, I may not be able to any battleforces until january. Which is fine, since it's not like I haven't got plenty to paint in the meantime.
The other thing I would have liked to grab is the crypt scavengers box, but that no longer seems to be available.
Special
- 10 black knights
- 3 model back rank filler, left over from older converted unit
- 19 great weapon grave guard
- 8 hw & shield grave guard
- 2 torsos w/0 weapons
- ~ 8 fell bats
- ~ 2 spirit host bases
The great weapon grave guard are, like the bsb, half painted in the old scheme, and may prove unusable if painting over it obscures too much detail. on top of that, I'm back to being on the fence on whether I prefer great weapon or HW&S? Is there a new consensus since last time I was on the boards? I have spare heads as well, so if I have to paint over the existing half-done paint job, it might be better to remove the heads and weapon arms anyway, so that at least those parts of the model won't have an extra layer of paint overshadowing the detail.
EDIT: I have recalled that I intended to assemble 40 gg total, all with GW, HW, and shield, half holding their Gweps w/ the shields on their backs and swords at their sides, and half holding HW & shield, with the great weapons on their backs, with the theory that I'd put in front the ones with the equipment I was using. I like this plan, and believe I will be sticking to it, though I will need to pick up one more box once I get around to them.
Otherwise, my special, like my core, is a little light. I've got no monstrous infantry, my black knight block isn't quite up to 'bus' size, I have no hexwraiths (I had originally planned to make my cav modular, so they could be fielded either way? I don't remember changing my mind on that, yet now I find my black knights are glued in place, so???).
Even the spirit hosts, Lotr ghosty swarmy things, I may not have. I do not remember getting rid of them, but have not found them yet.
I'm not sure what if anything to add here yet, but this section more than any I expect to change based on the Nagash campaign book, so I'm not making any plans yet (apart from thinking about what to do with the grave guard).
Rare:
- Mortis Engine
- Terrorgheist
Both very impressive models, both very cool units. I especially love the mortis engine, thematically and aesthetically, but there is a problem.
I found the chariot base to be just too small for it, so I glued mine to a large monster base and built up a bit of a scenic graveyard thing. It's nice, it looks nice, but the base is huge and unwieldy, making it much harder to use in game. If I put it behind my lines, then I'm unable to move my units apart enough to charge it up in between once the armies meet, while if I put it in the middle of my line, it pushes the units to either side way away from each other, which is a serious pain for march and invocation bubbles.
Aesthetically, I like it much more with the big base, but in terms of game play it's far, far worse than with the chariot base, so I'm torn on whether to keep it as is or tear up.
The terrorgheist has a square hole cut in its base. The idea was to put a bit of sheet metal under there, and then the ghoul king would magnetize to it to show he was with the gheist, or could be removed and have like a gravestone or something there. Never did get the piece of metal properly in place. now I can't find it, so I don't know if I'll still try and do that or if I'll just put masking tape or something over the hole, and forget about it.
EDIT: missing the crossed knives bit from one of the mortis engine banshees! ugh!
I'll edit in photos of the above in their current state later today.
In the mean time, if anybody happens to have advice on stripping paint from spindly fragile plastic models without breaking or ruining them, let me know, it might prove necessary on my wights, and I'd rather not eat a loss on 20 pricey infantry plus a decently converted hero.
While I don't feel my initial outing was painted poorly (LINK), the color scheme itself wasn't working for me. Too bright. Too warm. The models looked like they were marching to battle in the noonday sun. I want to try something more reserved, a bit more somber, something that feels more arcane. A 'necromancer' or 'necrarch' type color scheme rather than a 'von carstein' color scheme, even if the chief vampire in my list will still be manfred.
I do have an initial idea, for skeletal models at least. I'm going to try for an ethereal effect with the bones, with black for the cloth bits and maybe some sort of darker bronzy metal color? I'm not sure. I'll need to experiment, test models should start showing up in later posts.
In the mean time, I'm starting with an inventory on my surviving collection.
Characters
- Mannfred on nightmare
- Vampire hero on nightmare
- Kemmler conversion
- Krell
- Vlad
- Konrad
- casty Vampire lord on foot
- Ghoul King
- fighty vampire lord on dragon (half converted)
- a couple vampire heros on foot
- mounted wight king
- a couple wight kings on foot, including a bsb
- a couple old necromancers
- 4 wraiths, converted from empire wizards
- 1 old metal wraith.
- 1 old metal banshee
Yes, I have way too many characters, given how small the rest of my army is. Keep in mind, I did just sell 1000 points, most of which was core troops.
My previous army was Von Carstein theme, but now I'll be going for a Nagash/Necromancer bent, so I've got way more vampires than I need. Also, the bsb is half painted in my old scheme, and uses plastic parts, so ill need to paint over him. If that obscures too much detail, he'll be unusable. And the necromancers and one of the wraiths are kind of old. I don't much like them anymore, and will probably be replacing the necromancers. Unless I run a unit of wraiths, I think 4 should be enough of them. I do like the new wraith better than my conversions, but that only works if I'm running a single wraith, it looks too different to use it and my current models in the same army, and if I'm using more than one I'd rather stick with the wizardy wraiths and avoid the chorus line effect of having more than one of the static pose GW models.
Other than maybe replacing the necromancers & bsb, I don't think I need any new characters right away. I mean, apart from Nagash, of course. That may change based on Nagash's campaign list.
Core
- 50 zombies
- 10 bases of unit filler
- 10 res tokens of zombies digging up from the ground
- 1 unopened box of zombies (unpictured)
- close to 100 count total
(sorry for blurry image)
- 28 hw & shield skeletons
- 10 unassembled skeletons
- 1 unopened box of skeletons
- approximately 40 skeletons total, after taking out test models
- 21 ghouls
I am shy on core. If I want to run Nagash, I'll need 1000 points, plus raising fodder. That said, I don't want to go overboard before the campaign book comes out, as Nagash's list may have different core units available.
Also, the zombies are gw models, which poses a bit of a question. I'm not that big a fan of the gw zombs, but I already have a bunch of them, and I don't like the mantic ones much more, plus they aren't much cheaper, so do I make the jump, or stick with what ive got?
And some of the skeletons and zombies are primed black, while my current painting plan, for the skeletons at least, starts with a white undercoat, so that may-or-may-not be a problem.
anyway, a vc battalion would probably be a decent purchase. Two would get me up to two units of 30 ghouls, two units of 40 skeletons, 2 corpse carts (I'd love them, if only they could march; as it is, that should probably read 'two necromancers' instead), and more dogs than I could shake a stick at, but it will have to wait until after Nagash and his campaign book. My funds are limited, so depending on the cost of nagash & his book, I may not be able to any battleforces until january. Which is fine, since it's not like I haven't got plenty to paint in the meantime.
The other thing I would have liked to grab is the crypt scavengers box, but that no longer seems to be available.
Special
- 10 black knights
- 3 model back rank filler, left over from older converted unit
- 19 great weapon grave guard
- 8 hw & shield grave guard
- 2 torsos w/0 weapons
- ~ 8 fell bats
- ~ 2 spirit host bases
The great weapon grave guard are, like the bsb, half painted in the old scheme, and may prove unusable if painting over it obscures too much detail. on top of that, I'm back to being on the fence on whether I prefer great weapon or HW&S? Is there a new consensus since last time I was on the boards? I have spare heads as well, so if I have to paint over the existing half-done paint job, it might be better to remove the heads and weapon arms anyway, so that at least those parts of the model won't have an extra layer of paint overshadowing the detail.
EDIT: I have recalled that I intended to assemble 40 gg total, all with GW, HW, and shield, half holding their Gweps w/ the shields on their backs and swords at their sides, and half holding HW & shield, with the great weapons on their backs, with the theory that I'd put in front the ones with the equipment I was using. I like this plan, and believe I will be sticking to it, though I will need to pick up one more box once I get around to them.
Otherwise, my special, like my core, is a little light. I've got no monstrous infantry, my black knight block isn't quite up to 'bus' size, I have no hexwraiths (I had originally planned to make my cav modular, so they could be fielded either way? I don't remember changing my mind on that, yet now I find my black knights are glued in place, so???).
Even the spirit hosts, Lotr ghosty swarmy things, I may not have. I do not remember getting rid of them, but have not found them yet.
I'm not sure what if anything to add here yet, but this section more than any I expect to change based on the Nagash campaign book, so I'm not making any plans yet (apart from thinking about what to do with the grave guard).
Rare:
- Mortis Engine
- Terrorgheist
Both very impressive models, both very cool units. I especially love the mortis engine, thematically and aesthetically, but there is a problem.
I found the chariot base to be just too small for it, so I glued mine to a large monster base and built up a bit of a scenic graveyard thing. It's nice, it looks nice, but the base is huge and unwieldy, making it much harder to use in game. If I put it behind my lines, then I'm unable to move my units apart enough to charge it up in between once the armies meet, while if I put it in the middle of my line, it pushes the units to either side way away from each other, which is a serious pain for march and invocation bubbles.
Aesthetically, I like it much more with the big base, but in terms of game play it's far, far worse than with the chariot base, so I'm torn on whether to keep it as is or tear up.
The terrorgheist has a square hole cut in its base. The idea was to put a bit of sheet metal under there, and then the ghoul king would magnetize to it to show he was with the gheist, or could be removed and have like a gravestone or something there. Never did get the piece of metal properly in place. now I can't find it, so I don't know if I'll still try and do that or if I'll just put masking tape or something over the hole, and forget about it.
EDIT: missing the crossed knives bit from one of the mortis engine banshees! ugh!
I'll edit in photos of the above in their current state later today.
In the mean time, if anybody happens to have advice on stripping paint from spindly fragile plastic models without breaking or ruining them, let me know, it might prove necessary on my wights, and I'd rather not eat a loss on 20 pricey infantry plus a decently converted hero.
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