Who can defeat Nagash (Fluff discussion)

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Hi guys, I was on another website and there was a thread going on guess regarding the End of Times scenario and how they feel it will end.

This got me thinking about Nagash, quite obvious he has to go at some point but who do you think will take him out? Will it be Archaon, maybe one of his own, Arkahan, Mannfred, etc. A Hero from another race?

For my part I think it may well be Vlad, revenge for Nagash bringing him back and not being able to find Isabella?
 
I think once Vlad has discovered Izzy's resting place and found a way to revive her, his service to Nagash holds no real motive. Might be Vlad assisting with the take down.

Alternatively it could be any number of other species. I think Manny is too afraid of permanent death to attempt to rebel, Arkhan is too loyal, Neffie is scared of him and the other mortarchs are bound to his will in one way or another. Vlad is the only possible traitor.

Alternatively there may be no end, just open warfare accross the globe with battlefronts ebbing and flowing but never dying out. That'd be fun.
 
As to who finally defeats him(if that happens) I have no idea. But one thing is certain, and that is that the forces of Order need to get their sh*t together.

If the chaos legions, and the undead legions fight it out it would mean certain doom for the empire, and the rest of the old world. Something needs to happen. Order needs to bring out their big guns.
 
Either Sigmar returned or The Whispered One who is in reality, Drachenfels, the "original Nagash." He was created long before MR. N so I think he would be a surprise assassin that people won't see coming.
Or maybe a coalition of Teclis, Malekith, Lord Mazdamundi etc.
 
Well from what I can remember of the Nagash book, teclis is speaking to someone (probably Malekith) about needing Nagash to fight chaos and something about other champions being needed aswell iirc. So I'm gonna say he doesn't get killed or something chaosy gets him
 
Either Sigmar returned or The Whispered One who is in reality, Drachenfels, the "original Nagash." He was created long before MR. N so I think he would be a surprise assassin that people won't see coming.
Or maybe a coalition of Teclis, Malekith, Lord Mazdamundi etc.

wait wait wait wait wait... I haven't read any of the end times stuff, are you telling me that constant drachenfels shows up, or is even slightly hinted at ?!?!?!?!?!?!
 
SPOILERS


Drachenfels is hinted at, one of the Mortarchs of Nagash is The Nameless. A Once Great Enchanter who aids Nagash in hopes that his memory will be restored.

If it's him, his backstory needs some retconning.
 
Doesn't Nagash devouring usirian mean he can't actually die? Nagash is planning to actually get rid of the chaos gods, beings of immense power. And Nagash isn't going into it on a wing and a prayer he is adamant he can do it! So I'm not really sure can deal with him now.
 
The Elves will play a big part in this; of course the devious Teclis already has. The third book in the series (after End Times: Nagash and End Times: Glottkin) is rumoured to be End Times: Khaine. People are theorising that once Tyrion discovers his brother sacrificed Tyrion's daughter, he will draw the sword of Khaine, damning himself but at the same time unleashing huge power. Malekith also seems to be up for double teaming and working, albeit reluctantly, together with Tyrion.

Of ourse, Gilles de Breton is back as well, and he's what, like pseudo dead?

Those of you who are fans of Dragonball Z will know that every fight a Saiyan loses, only makes him stronger the next time round, and I think the same will apply to Karl Franz, who is still heavily wounded atm, but he'll come back even more epic than before.

It won't be one character that takes Nagash down, but several characters, very possibly on opposite sides of the plying field, will all have a hand in his demise.
 
Could be a case of of letting him repel the chaos forces and cage them up then his "allies" (those that oppose chaos) turn on him.

Either way he's awesome and bloody hard to kill so that's a fight I want to see..
 
SPOILER ALERT

Since settra was destroyed by nagash then brought back by the chaos powers to seek revenge, he will probably play some role in it as well.
By the way, there is a fantastic piece if art depicting the two of them dueling in the book.
 
Nagash isnt going to die.....
several reason:

- Nagash is needed to balance against chaos. (which is why the high elves purposedly let one of them being captured by Mannfred for the resurrection of nagash)
- GW did not invest in a €350.000,- mold and writing an expensive book, only to let him die in the 2 years to come. Nagash is here to stay, along with the mortarchs and everything else they are producing


Ah and btw; End Times is NOT a campaign. It is edition 8.5. This is the new Warhammer BRB update book. Not some sidequest or random campaign but the actual continuation of the timeline and an official update to Warhammer and how it is to be played.
 
Honestly, if it were ever to be done it would be by merlin the Frog, AKA Mazdamundi.

and, on a related note, Lizardmen need a bigger show in the background. They seem to be a sideline force for balance.
 
I think it'll be one of the Elves, probably with the Sword of Khaine (Widowmaker). I just can't see anyone else doing it except maybe Settra with the help of the ruinous powers.
 
The reason I think Nagash will die is because whilst I agree that the end times is not a campaign it does have to end story wise.
I am confident the new rules and undead legion will remain into ninth edition the end times story must end. I can't imagine it carrying on with same battles being fought again and again.
And if Nagash doesn't die at the conclusion of the end times story then what is next for him. He is too powerful to be left around and I don't think retirement suits him
 
It's really hard for players to feel like they have some agency over the Old World when there are characters like Nagash running rampant. Most players I know like to invent their own characters, their own little histories, and carve out their own little piece of the Old World, whether it is some Bretonnian Duke in a out of the way castle somewhere, or an Imperial general or an Orc Warlord, we all like feel like we're in control of our little 'patch'.

And that's really hard when you've got literal gods and supermen running around tearing everything up. GW will, if it know's what's good for it, restore some kind of balance to the Old World once it has finished with all this End Times stuff. I imagine that the End Times will be a complete story arc, and at the end of it we will get a 9th edition, which will represent the Old World as it exists after the End Times story arc is finished.

So how do I think this story arc will end? I think Nagash is going to curbstomp Chaos. Not the gods themselves, but he's going to beat Archaon and his buddies so hard, their ancestors are going to wince. Afterwards, he'll be in a weakened state and I think it is then that he will be taken out. He may be killed, or just reduced to a weakened state, but he won't be around killing everything anymore. And as a result, we'll have both the Chaos threat reduced to a non-critical level, and the Undead restored to their normal threat level, and enough of a mix up in the Old World that we can get some new fluff and new units in our other books. Tomb Kings will be an interesting one given that Nagash pretty much owns them now.
 
My guess is that Nagash will crush Chaos, but then there will be a second apocalyptic showdown with an elf+ widowmaker and the Karl Franz\Sigmar avatar. I see Nagash defeated and becoming the new god of death, replacing the one he killed. I suspect these titanic battles will not only change the world politically, but geographically as well, at least 12 major cities have been demolished so far, including Altdorf. There have been several strong hints that Ulthuan and Lustria are both doomed as well. I can't see many named heroes surviving this maelstrom either. It's quite possible that if a new edition arrives it is put a couple of hundred years after this event, which will give GW even more time to manipulate and mould the world anew. Scary as it seems, 9th edition might in fact be edition 1 of an entirely new game with very different, new factions. Us 'oldies' could well but cut adrift and abandoned with version 8 (or 8.5) while an entirely new world\game is created, to attract in a whole new generation. To be honest, despite my anguish, I would probably, eventually, buy in to the new game.
Remember this is all just my opinion, I do not work for GW and I am not a registered empath.
 
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You never know, maybe Nagash will defeat chaos, realise trying to wipe out everyone else is a bad idea and settle down to retire in a nice little cottage at the corner of sylvania with a banshee or something.
I can see him in an apron making pies and polishing his hat
 
maybe something along the lines of nagash defeating chaos and trying to absorb their power and not being able to handle it, and thus vanishing in a spectacular fashion that doesn't elude to whether he will come back or not. Either that or khorne challenges him to a 1 on one combat and sends nagash running to his 'mummy'
 

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