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Oh don't worry I know. And the 2xX zombies that try to abuse "Wheel" movement to swing a full unit entirely across the board? Yeah, I know it was a thing before as well as now, and in both cases I declared it stupid as sin. And I stand by that stance.

Now, I can't speak for @najo, but I think his concern lies in utilizing and working with the new ' 3" command zone ' units have over the battle field. I mean, I understand the concept of ranking a unit up differently to force an opponent around, or what have you. I'm just saying I'm probably...

You may want to re-read that. It says you MAY move up to 3", there is no requirement to move if you are within that 3" range but don't want to be trading blows. You would however still need to retreat to actually function in any other way, but still, it's may not must. But yeah, at this point...

How you flavor your interpretation of what happens in the battles is entirely up to you (And doesn't change anything). Call Each model 10-man squads if you like the idea of the battle being super massive. It won't change the functionality of the game (Unless you start house ruling things). I...

I won't disagree with that last part, and I know you mentioned the Hodge-podgery of nonsense that is "formations" now, which I personally didn't experience since I just made mini-blobs that were roughly akin to 8 or 10 by X ranked troops. And I don't really plan to change how I form up my units...

Did you start a blog just to post that? Seems like an odd choice, but I guess if you have/want to share that across more than one forum maybe that's why. Either way, it's good to see your post finally, since you had been speaking very positively of AoS. I think there is certainly a bit of...

That's fair to say there is a vast majority of reviews coming out via the internet that are negative, I just wanted to point it out because he said "Which is all of them". And I disagree with that. Plus it's important to note the type of people who would be expected to be making these reviews...

Whoa whoa whoa, hold your horses. I posted a battle report as well as @Malisteen and neither of us ended it with "F$*K AoS". In fact I'm quite sure we both said that while we may have reservations about it, and are perhaps hoping that it will develop something moving forward, we had fun...

Well you could look at it two ways. The summon spell vs Special character issue, if it works how Oppenheimer suggested, could represent more of a "resurrection" spell. But I am inclined to think that the summon spells work no matter if you fielded the unit or not. What "matters" is that you...

Yeah, I think I am picking up one of the starter sets, and splitting it with a friend. Although I guess I need to see how into AoS he is, because if he thinks it's massively less interesting, then this idea is a little bunk! But I am most interested in the book that comes with the starter kit...

Well, I don't know. Heroes are quite a bit different in this new Age than before. It's nice to think of the old style of play when you could bring a handful of low-cost heroes, or kit out a single super-killy vamp or what have you, but now the dynamic is different. Sure the wound limit...

Basically, but at least we're not at each others' throats over it (What'd be the point, we're both lords of undeath - hardly any chance to sap life :vampire1: ). I'm not sure what I'm going to do about the whole basing thing. Round bases are nicer looking IMO, but that would prevent a bit of...

@Daedle, well those models do look pretty nice. Although having a bit more of a look, I think one of the most off putting things is the example units paint schemes/jobs. The Undead especially have so much brass/bronze color and not terribly amazing looking, they remind me of the look of Mage...

@Seneschal, yeah I am fairly sure @Malisteen is right. I don't think GW would double-double cross their consumer base to sneakily release a "new" core system that is more advance. Honestly, if a more advance version of the game is released, or if things are changed drastically not on the...

Well from a personal perspective, I just don't see KoW models as worth. If I don't like the aesthetics, I just don't see the point. But I guess that also may have to do with target market, because I am quite a bit older than I was when I started playing wargames, and I have much more...

That's cool, and I can appreciate their love for the game, but I don't see the business model in that. Granted players who are so inclined to leave AoS are more than likely the ones to play life-time-bans on purchases of GW related products, so perhaps that helps them. But I just can't into...

Hey Daedle, nice to meet you, I'm curious about two things. With free rules for KoW, are they not concerned about players, like say the ones unsatisfied by AoS, simply leaving their current system to play KoW but without really getting into the Mantic models? I guess if you guys have organized...

Well, better is subjective. Some people appreciate the "Less is more" mentality. Like with the 5th edition of D&D, it's quite different, but I can appreciate the lack of suffocating in rules like 3.X (And it's player supported continuum Pathfinder) had. In War games it can be just as well, I...

Ahh, I see what the issue you're having is. You just want GW to suffer. But see, from my perspective, the game is a side dish, and the models are the main course. Even before AoS, I viewed the game they produced as incomplete, with rules that needed to be modified to be playable. Granted...

Ironically the Warhammer is its own monstrous creature that will be released separately. But that model does look decent, and yay baby gryphon! Let's be fair, the game is free. The models cost a ton. :ghost: But I see your point if you're more interested in playing games than hobby-ing...