How do we determine canon?

[Count Jex]

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Sorry,where was I?...... Ah yes....

In the lovely fluffy goodness that i official 'canon' information, what are considered to be good and relable sources? Are the novels ok?

 

[Grish]

Canon as in the church? Or cannon as the weapon? I'm not sure what you're asking...?

 

[Count Jex]

Canon as in the church? Or cannon as the weapon? I'm not sure what you're asking...?

Seriously?:|

When ever you hear some fan-boy, of one type or another, say 'canon' what they mean is official storyline and information. Basically.

I was just wondering where said official stroylines wuld be found.

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

He means as in 'official' Fluff.

Generally the Rulebook, Army Books and articles in White Dwarf are considered Canon, novels whilst informative are sometimes not due to the liberties authors can take, this also applies to Black Library publications.

 

[Count Jex]

He means as in 'official' Fluff.

Generally the Rulebook, Army Books and articles in White Dwarf are considered Canon, novels whilst informative are sometimes not due to the liberties authors can take, this also applies to Black Library publications.

K.

I would have though the Vampire Wars would be in there though.

 

[Grish]

By the way, I have no idea what 'paddy' means as well. Paddy cake? Edit: Dictionary says it's a rice field. I'm sure that's not what you mean.

It's a cultural reference term. Like keep your stick on the ice. Which all canadians know, but I wouldn't expect others to know what it means...

 

[The Dark Sheep]

Most of the vamp wars are covered by the new rulebook, but thee are some places where the writer have taken another approach than the original fluff to suit the story.
Anyway I think Liber necris (?) is pretty canon as well (even though I never read it).

 

[Count Jex]

By the way, I have no idea what 'paddy' means as well. Paddy cake? Edit: Dictionary says it's a rice field. I'm sure that's not what you mean.

It's a cultural reference term. Like keep your stick on the ice. Which all canadians know, but I wouldn't expect others to know what it means...

How is this post relevant to this thread?

Seems your just stirring up trouble.

[Oh and for your information, a paddy is commonly understood to be a tantrum.]

 

[Grish]

Commonly understood to the people you ask next door? Commonly understood to the Chinese that speak English? Commonly understood to the Ebonic subculture of America?

You're quite on the way to getting the record as the fastest banned member of CN.

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

I agree, even after warnings.

Jexx, please take this post as an instruction not to post until this matter has been looked at by the site owner Voltaire.

This is not up for discussion either in here or by PM, and any further posts by yourself will be deleted until Voltaire has decided.

DoN

Edit - Other members are free to continue posting in this thread, obviously on topic.

 

[N.I.B]

Canon is a known term in sweden too, known as 'kanon'

a priest who is a member of a cathedral chapter
or
a contrapuntal piece of music in which a melody in one part is imitated exactly in other parts
or
a collection of books accepted as holy scripture especially the books of the Bible recognized by any Christian church as genuine and inspired

The term canon is also usually referred to for instance in the discussion about which literature that should be labeled as classics/'fine' culture, and taught in schools.

In warhammer I'd say that official rule books and army books are the closest we come to any sort of canon. Also the material in WFRPG, and recent novels. But fluff is prone to change with every army book, as we all know. Thus we have no real solid canon.

 

[The Inspector]

Generally the Rulebook, Army Books and articles in White Dwarf are considered Canon, novels whilst informative are sometimes not due to the liberties authors can take, this also applies to Black Library publications.

Agreed with everything.

Anyway I think Liber necris (?) is pretty canon as well (even though I never read it).

Unfortunately, the Liber Necris not official fluff material at all o_o

 

[Geraint]

I'd have said that, in the literary sense, a canon is established with hindsight and is thus subject to discussion and is certainly open to enormous subjectivity. Thus, whether any Black Library material counts as canonical depends on the standpoint of the person writing the list, and whether anyone else accepts that list depends on the strength of the argument put forward in defence of it.
Yes, this is postmodern and thus ultimately nihilistic, but it's how I was trained to think and I like it.
Army books might well be described as canonical. Different editions do take different approaches or even occasionally disagree with each other - but, just as an example, the four Biblical gospels are seen as canonical in the context of Christian literature and they disagree with each other. The only other thing I can think of is Dan Abnett - his 40K work has become a point of reference on all sorts of levels for other authors and is thus canonical. How often do references to Ravenor's "Spheres of Longing" crop up, for example? Or the Sabbat Worlds campaign?