Upcoming Warhammer Fantasy Releases- Including Nagash & new VC stuff.

[Adam_Barrow]

I hear Vlad's -1 Ld is bumped to 12" and gives -1 To Hit against his unit.

 

[Von Calyptra]

Krell was a chaos champion originally, but Nagash raised him and put him in charge of a legion when he was attacking the Empire. It eventually took Sigmar himself to stop Krell. How does that not fit?

 

[Sanguinus]

Well, he wasn't one of Nagash's followers until after death, unlike Arkhan. If we're just going by powerful undead that lead portions of Nagash's army, then Vlad, Mannfred and Neferata all now fit that criteria.

Seems to me it makes more sense that the Dark Lords are always Nagash's nine most powerful followers.

 

[Banat]

Arkhan, Raamket and Shepsuhur were the three most prominent of Nagash's desciples, having followed him during his rebellion against his brother Thutep back when he was merely dabbling in Druchii magic. Haven't found out what happens to Raamket and Shepsuhur yet although they are both still present 200 years later after Nagash has immortalised himself.

 

[Von Calyptra]

Eh, all I know is, every army book that mentions the Dark Lords of Nagash says they were his trusted generals and acolytes from back in the day, and that they're still around. The only individuals specifically named as being Dark Lords of Nagash in an army book are Arkhan and Krell.

I haven't bothered to check the Liber Necris on this. GW doesn't care about any lore that isn't in an army book.

 

[lord marcus]

so we've got what, 2 or 3 mortarchs left?

 

[Scott_K]

Abhorash? Where art thou?

 

[lord marcus]

Abhorash? Where art thou?

Our lord, our king in bloody battle, fight with us during this coming night of all nights. WE SUMMON THEE!

*Dramatic effect noises*

 

[GDD]

The three mounted ones, Krell, Vlad. That's five. And we are missing four? I would discard all the old fluff from your older books when thinking about this. Even if there are supposed to be 9 it seems like we only get five?

 

[lord marcus]

The three mounted ones, Krell, Vlad. That's five. And we are missing four? I would discard all the old fluff from your older books when thinking about this. Even if there are supposed to be 9 it seems like we only get five?

Leave room for:

Ushoran
Abbhorash
W'soran if his soul can be linked to a moulded body
possibly Kadon or a renegade liche priest?

Wait hell no, Volkmar is rumored to be a vamp now. bam. nagash uses the prime servant of sigmar and thus diverts he'man's god power away from him.

 

[Von Calyptra]

The three mounted ones, Krell, Vlad. That's five. And we are missing four? I would discard all the old fluff from your older books when thinking about this. Even if there are supposed to be 9 it seems like we only get five?

Current Tomb Kings book, page 57: "Arkhan was reborn as the Liche King - the first of Nagash's nine Dark Lords. These fell beings were the foremost of Nagash's captains, and they brought despair and destruction to his foes."

Mannfred wasn't around back then, so he's not one of the nine - unless he's been promoted and one of the original nine has been demoted for some reason.

 

[GDD]

@Von Calyptra Mannfred is a confirmed Mortarch so that would be the case.

 

[Von Calyptra]

Has there been a leak that "mortarch" is another word for "Dark Lord of Nagash"?

 

[Bullhax]

Again it's safe to assume the nine aren't a fixed group like the nazgul i LotR but simply the strongest of his followers. Case point mannfred as mentioned above.. Well I hope they release more a little at a time so we get a new model every few month, but that's just me wishing.!

EDIT: @Von Calyptra good point not that I have seen but i must admit to not having read all of the leaked lore in spanish..!

 

[GDD]

I'm surprised we haven't gotten more info actually! I was expecting the whole damn book to be spoiled by now, but there just has to be more rules we are missing, for the undead legion regarding synergy! And things like the difference between a "Mortarch", and a "dark lord". I assume Bullhax is correct on this. Even if there were nine, it's not significant. I mean asside from wanting to see more awesome characters show up :tongue:

 

[Dakaar]

Current Tomb Kings book, page 57: "Arkhan was reborn as the Liche King - the first of Nagash's nine Dark Lords. These fell beings were the foremost of Nagash's captains, and they brought despair and destruction to his foes."

Mannfred wasn't around back then, so he's not one of the nine - unless he's been promoted and one of the original nine has been demoted for some reason.

It only states thats when Arkhan became the first of his dark lords, it could be the other 8 were added slowly over hundreds or thousands of years (that 9 are mentioned only means that he got to 9 by the time the qutoe was written, he may even have added more since then). So its possible the 9 are a once in always in and are still the original ones from that (im not a big reader of the fluff so someone correct me if there is other fluff that makes this not possible)

 

[lord marcus]

It only states thats when Arkhan became the first of his dark lords, it could be the other 8 were added slowly over hundreds or thousands of years (that 9 are mentioned only means that he got to 9 by the time the qutoe was written, he may even have added more since then). So its possible the 9 are a once in always in and are still the original ones from that (im not a big reader of the fluff so someone correct me if there is other fluff that makes this not possible)

I've always had the feeling that Arkhan was the only one of his major first set of students/servants to survive.

 

[Dracan]

Some army rules

No crumble if general dies
TK can march if within 12 of general
No need for a Hierophant
Anything that effects nehekharan undead effects undead and vice versa
TK constructs can only heal 1 wound PER CASTING

 

[GDD]

@Dracan WHAT!!! That is fan-fucking-tastic. That means we could have +5 regen ws 6 ghouls/skellies as core!! I did not expect them to do this actually! The list possibilities are crazy! Imagine mindrazor with said list And a corpse cart.

Do you know if we have any general restrictions? Meaning that we need a LoUD general, or something similar?

 

[Dracan]

sorry that's all i heard so far

 

[GDD]

With a necrotect 4+ regen Ushabti units is now possible.. I'l shut up for a while, but I keep finding awesome stuff while reading the TK book now..

 

[Emicrania]

anybody knows how big is the new Mannfred/dudes new base? i just bought the old one cause i really don´t like the new miniature but i´m up for some hardcore converting,maybe an archaon´s horse or something

 

[RobTheWise]

Did somebody say WS6 Grave Guard?

I'm actually starting to have some balance concerns. Is combining these two books in this manner a little unbalanced?

Will obviously save my final thoughts for when I have all the info in front of me. But so far there appear to be no real downsides or consequences to the Undead Legion list.

 

[warhamster]

Balance is going to come down to if characters of one type can join units of the other type. If they have restrictions like the Warriors of Chaos book has on marked characters and marked units, it will be less of an issue. If there are no restrictions, it likely just confirms my fears about this End Times lineup:

Pricey campaign books that moves the story forward and introduce the probable changes for 9th edition like 50% Lords, the new magic lore for everyone, and combined profile ridden monsters, but will be used in games about as much as Storm of Magic is (next to never).

 

[Banat]

Some army rules

No crumble if general dies
TK can march if within 12 of general
No need for a Hierophant
Anything that effects nehekharan undead effects undead and vice versa
TK constructs can only heal 1 wound PER CASTING

Admittedly a little concerned about balance. We Will already be hated for the very fact of being able to field nagash (regardless of whether you choose to)... i don't want to be friendless! :-( lol