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Bane chant and heal are both pretty good, but Surge is pure gold!

Yeah, this looks like it for a while until folks wake up to the mess that is AoS, and then the community fractures for a while trying to come to a consensus about WHFB 9.0 and then everyone finally comes to their senses and starts playing KoW ;)

It's so quick! I just had a 1,000 point starter game with my long time WHFB buddy (and I think he's sold...) and we were both amazed at how large the game was, and how quick it was! I had nearly the same model count at 1,000 that I would at 2,000 in WHFB and the game was done in about an hour...

No, it's not. Warhammer Fantasy no longer exists. The world it was set in was destroyed. AoS is a new game.

Don't you just burrow a tomb swarm under the ground and leave it there for six turns? Auto win?

So the old is in Red, and the new in Green. This is the way I'm using the list not necessarily the only or best way to use it. Vampire-Vampire strigoi ghoul king-Vampire strigoi ghoul king on terrorghiest - Vampire on Dragon vampire on zombie dragon- Vampire on Dragon vampire on coven throne-...

I don't think there needs to be bloodline powers. I think there needs to be a wider range of vampiric powers that are actually useful and well priced.

I think playing some different historical games gave me some perspective on the matter, since those games are almost literally red vs blue. They're all men in some kind of armour with some kind of weapon. There's not a lot of difference between Athenian hoplites and Spartan hoplites for...

I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum here! I think special rules should be used extremely sparingly. For me, 'interesting and unique' comes from the modelling and the background for your units. At the end of the day, no matter how many minor stat differences and special rules differences...

I think the problem is, without the 'official' moniker, no one will ever be convinced that someone else's ideas are better than their own ideas. For instance, I might think the 50% Lords and Heroes limit is stupid, while someone else loves it. Without an independent arbitrator to set out the...

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Nah. It's got 'warhammer' in the title, but so does 40k. AoS has nothing to do with Warhammer. If Warhammer is dead (and it is) then we need to decide how to carry on. Insisting the site focuses on AoS just because it shares the Warhammer name, and all other games should miss out is needlessly...

Nah, there's hundreds of different games out there we can move forward with.

Take a look at the rules for free here: http://www.manticgames.com/free-rules.html But note that there is some flavour missing. These are the 'sample' rules. Really, all that's missing are the magical artifacts, the scenarios, and some options from the army lists like Zombie Dragons, Undead...

Why doesn't it belong as a sub-forum, on equal footing as AoS? It's the only thing GW is producing, but it is not Warhammer. It is a totally new game, with new background. It is not a new edition of the game that this community sprang from, so why should this community adopt it carte blanche...

I agree! That's why it's a bit sad to see Skittelz promoting the idea that we should narrow the community down to just AoS players.

AoS is not warhammer, it doesn't bear any resemblance to it at all, and only has a passing resemblance to it in terms of background. KoW is more Warhammer than AoS is. The game that this community grew around is gone. I mean obviously the books and stuff still exist and people will still get...

@Skittelz1981 I love this community and Vampire Counts. But I hate Age of Sigmar, and Vampire Counts now only exist in posterity. Am I no longer welcome?

To what? Mate, I never said Warthrone was lacking the things WHFB had. That was someone else. You're asking me to justify a comment that I didn't make. I think Warthone has a needlessly complicated rules system. If it's lacking anything, it's lacking elegance and simplicity. Just like WHFB did.

Since the question was directed at someone else, I'll let them field it.