2 unrelated queries.

[BloodbathMcGrath]

Sorry for the vague subject, but I didn't want to have to post 2 separate threads (seemed like extra work for everyone...)

So some other members on the forum brought up a few interesting counter-points in some threads, but they were unrelated to the subject, so I wanted to see if anyone had a definitive answer.

1. Apparently there was an FAQ reading something like this:
Q: Are Nehekeran Undead considered Undead?
A: Yes.

So is this to say that if I teamed up with a TK player (as the spells are worded) my spells could heal/buff his units as they are considered Undead, but his could NOT affect my units as mine aren't Nehekeran Undead?

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2. If I have a SGK riding a TG (or equipped with Skabscrath) equipped with OTS and he is involved in a combat, then screams into said combat, do the enemies have to re-roll their ward saves?

My reasoning here is that models in b2b have to re-roll wards, but not only models in b2b are being screamed at.

 

[Randar]

I would say yes our ION spell say any friendly "undead" within the bubble of course lol.

 

[BloodbathMcGrath]

Well idk if they were answering the FAQs and were like "uhhh duuuh, of course they are undead..." and didn't even realize the question had real context to it... :slapface:But I guess if that's the wording then that's how it'll be handled....

Any thoughts on OTS in b2b with a screamer? I think defending player chooses who gets hit, right? Same with other "as if shooting" attacks.

 

[Swaiper]

I would assume the scream hits those in base contact and that you can assume they have to reroll successful ward saves. Just treat it as a normal close combat attack.

 

[TinTip]

Since the death shriek is resolved as from shooting, they would only have to reroll their ward save if the only models left to make the save were the ones in b2b. Otherwise they would get their initial roll

 

[Narenzade]

1) Yes, your spells affect them when teamed up.

2) Only if the models in B2B are the ones being hit.

IE. If you do 7 wounds and he has like 3 ranks of guys then he doesn't have to reroll.

But, if you hit a Lord on a Monster Mount then you'd allocate wounds as described in shooting, so like 3 on The Lord and 4 on the Monster. If The Lord or the monster had a ward save then they'd have to reroll it.

Or if you do like 7 wounds to 5 Daemons or something.

 

[Niltag]

1) Yes, your spells affect them when teamed up.

That's not true, in our spells it's said it targets frendly UD unit, TK even in team with VC are not frendly units for VC, TK is neutral army and VC is bad army, so they are not friends in aliance.

 

[alppikutka]

Suspicious allies can target allied units with spells which target 'friendly units'. Main rulebook pages 137-138.

The question here is if Tomb Kings are 'Undead' in the terms of our spell wording. And to that question I would say yes, they are. They could have used words "friendly Vampire Count units" if they didn't want any other undead to be affected.

 

[Niltag]

Suspicious allies can target allied units with spells which target 'friendly units'. Main rulebook pages 137-138.

The question here is if Tomb Kings are 'Undead' in the terms of our spell wording. And to that question I would say yes, they are. They could have used words "friendly Vampire Count units" if they didn't want any other undead to be affected.

Target by normal spells not by VC spells, you can see that in VC spells it said Friendly UD unit, not Suspicious UD unit. At last this is how guys in GW shop explained it to me and referee on turnament said same

 

[alppikutka]

-Are counted as being 'friendly' units from the point of view of targeting spells, abilities and so on. E.g. They are targeted by augment spells, but not hex, direct damage or magic missile spells, and so on.

That is what the book tells, I don't know what your local GW staff know, or don't know but I understand this the way I explained.

 

[Niltag]

-Are counted as being 'friendly' units from the point of view of targeting spells, abilities and so on. E.g. They are targeted by augment spells, but not hex, direct damage or magic missile spells, and so on.

That is what the book tells, I don't know what your local GW staff know, or don't know but I understand this the way I explained.

Thanks, will point it them out when i will be there next time

 

[alppikutka]

My pleasure! =)

 

[Narenzade]

Well, no undead unit is every friendly, so I guess the spell doesn't even work on our own models. I mean, my Vampire Lord is a real dick, but have you ever tried to have a conversation with a Terrorgheist? Those guys are most certainly not friendly.

GEEZ! NO ONE UNDERSTANDS ME! ~ Said no Undead ever.

 

[BloodbathMcGrath]

Hahahahaha. I guess our spells working on TK makes sense. We are necromancers, after all. But TK are raised by some other form of magic, no? The heirophant is to them as any of our LoV casters are to us. But I haven't brushed up on the TK fluff to see if they used Nagash's forbidden magic and stuff to resurrect their people.

 

[vampiricshaman]

how friendly could tomb king units be when the have a special character who hates us?

 

[Narenzade]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

If your armies are teamed up for whatever reason then it's fair to say this applies.

 

[BloodbathMcGrath]

Yeah plus Khalida has her reasons to hate Nagash and the vampires. And in a way, a great deal of Nehekerans do too; but that's not to say all of them do They were on both sides of the war. Arkhan the Black seems to like Nagash seeing he has his staff....