2000 points balanced VC

[Sanguine]

Hi everyone,
I'm new to warhammer fantasy and also to Carpe Noctem.
I'm thinking of fielding this list, it's not a tournament list but it is ment to be kinda competetive. I haven't bought any models yet, so i could make all sorts of changes.

Vampire lord @350
master of the black arts
Dark Acolyte
Avatar of death
Walach's bloody hauberk

Vampire @155
Dark acolyte
the flayed hauberk

necromancer @115
Invocation of Nehek
Vanhels Danse Macabre
Dispell scroll
Power stone

30 zombies with full command 132

10 ghouls with ghast 88

10 ghouls with ghast 88

19 skeletons 216
spears, full command
banner of the dead legion

10 dire wolves 80

19 grave guard 323
great weapons, full command
Banner of the barrows

Varghulf 175

5 cairn wraiths 275
banshee

that's 1997 points

The idea is to put the vampire lord with the grave guard, the vampire with the skeletons and the necromancer on his on. My Varghulf will be supported by the dire wolves ( I could also split my wolves in groups of 5).

So, tell me what you think, every help is welcome:mrgreen:

 

[Coyote]

• You're overloaded on core. It's fluffy, but unnecessary.
• It's sub-optimal to put champs on units that don't contain characters. It opens you up to an unwanted challenge, which means you may get hammered on Combat Resolution due to Overkill.
• Zombies are tarpits. Disposable ones at that. Cut them to units of 20. Better yet, leave the out and just summon what you need.
• Give the Black Periapt to the 2nd vamp. It'll help him cast.
• Drop Avatar of Death on the Lord, since you already are giving armor. It's redundant.
• Getting Lord of Death and/or Summon Ghouls will be a HUGE help on both the lord and the 2nd vamp.
• The Necro needs to focus. Either he does Dance, so drop the other stuff and get Book of Arkan. Or make him a scroll caddy that does IoN. Don't try to do both. If you want both, buy a 3rd vamp.
• Cut the Wolves to 8 but add a champ. That way you can tarpit dragons, etc. Good for redirects too.

That should give you a good start. Have fun with it!

 

[Sanguine]

Thanks for the help,
I agree with all of your points except one.
The codex tells that if the vampire lord has the flayed hauberk his ''nomal'' 4+ save may be combined with steeds, shiels etc. So if it's combined with the heavy armour and shield from avatar of death, he has (please correct me if i'm wrong) a 2+ save. It's expensive, but I really wouldn't want my lord to die.

 

[Capt Rubber Ducky]

[*]It's sub-optimal to put champs on units that don't contain characters. It opens you up to an unwanted challenge, which means you may get hammered on Combat Resolution due to Overkill.[*]
Its better then them killing 6 guys then getting crumbing because of that you'd lose even more men
[*]Give the Black Periapt to the 2nd vamp. It'll help him cast.[*]
Always a good buy
Drop Avatar of Death on the Lord, since you already are giving armor. It's redundant.
It gives him a shield so he would have a 2+ save in combat rather then a 4+ (hauberk replaces HA SH gives you and extra save and using a HW and SH in combat gives you another save)
[*]The Necro needs to focus. Either he does Dance, so drop the other stuff and get Book of Arkan. Or make him a scroll caddy that does IoN. Don't try to do both. If you want both, buy a 3rd vamp.[*]
I say just take another Vamp.

You might also want to put a magic weapon on your lord (not an expensive one just the sword of might/battle to let him do a bit more damage, same with normal vamp. You could also swap the barrows for the stringos on the GG as the lord would then benifit from the hatred as well

If you want to use raising powers i would advise using 1 type of core either ghouls or skellys. Otherwise they probably need to start about 20 strong.

I wouldn't bother starting with zombies also giving them a standard will give away easy victory points to your opponent.

 

[Coyote]

Avatar of Death does qualify you for a 2+ Save, using the configuration that you've listed. It'll only be a 3+ Save if you take a magic weapon, since you'll lose the Parry Bonus.

If you're that worried about the AS, kool. Buy him a Nightmare instead. You'll still get the 3+ Save, you'll get a Ninja Horse to both regular fights and challenges, you get to add 1 to the total US of the unit, You displace an extra model in the unit (better protecting the whole thing), you give yourself the option of an 8" charge out of the unit, AND you free up enough points for a summon power. Nightmare's are a bargain for the points.

If you were REALLY concerned about AS, you could go Dread Knight for all of the above with a 2+ AS and a lance, buy the extra level, and free up 25pts for Bloodline powers. But I'm assuming that you're going for point efficiency. Kool. Buy a Nightmare instead.