2000 Points for tournement

[Lord Viggo]

Hi all, here is a list I came up for an upcomming tourney in Montreal.

Vampire Lord
Dread Knight
Red Fury
Lord of the Dead
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Cadaverous Cuirasse
Book of Arkhan
Balefire Spike
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365 pts

Vampire
Lord of the Dead
Avatar of Death (Great weapon)
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Rod of flaming death
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175 pts

vampire
Hunter in the Night
Supernatural Horror
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Talisman of Lycin
Armor of night
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200 pts

Necromancer
Invocation of Nehek
Vanhel's Danse Macabre
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2 x dispell scrolls
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120 pts


CORE
19 Skeletons, Champion, Banner, Banner of the dead legion - 193 pts

20 skeletons, Champion, Banner, War banner - 201 pts

15 ghouls, Ghast, 128 pts

5 Dire wolves - 40 pts

5 Dire wolves - 40 pts

SPECIAL
6 Black Knights, banner - 160 pts

RARE
Varghulf - 175 pts

Black Coach - 200 pts


I wanted to know what you think, how i could imporve it. The tourney is a big one, Arena Montreal, as its all weekend and were playing 5 matches (2 saturday, 3 sunday).

I like to play fighty vamps, and that i don't have to rely to much on the magic phase. it consist of a solid core of blocks in middle with vamps to lead the skeletons. The vamp scout is to take care of war machines and single wizards.

Tell me what you think. What improvement can i make?

 

[Jack Shrapnel]

Given your list and style of play, I'm not sure about the black coach... you have only a few PD and they're going to be spread out across your army at that (the scouting vamp is very unlikely to be near the coach for example)... just may be difficult to get it to full compliment and you may find another vargulf or wraiths (as was suggested to my army list post) may be more effective...

What was your plan for the mounted lord - as far as where he was going to be placed?

What is your plan for the scouting vamp? Is he going to try and "terror bomb" and take out war machines? He seems a little vulnerable somehow....

Someone should probably take advantage of the flayed hauberk... just too good an armor not to have for 25 points...

Also, those skeletons aren't going to be hitting much... but a helm of commandment... makes them MUCH better in combat

 

[Lord Viggo]

I like the black coach for his ability to steal dices from my oponent, but i see the point of not having a lot of power dices. I think ill go with some wraits. I never really tried wraits, i think 4 should do the trick. Is the banshee worth it?

For the Lord he is going to join a unit of skells to add hitting power to the unit. He gets 2+ armor save, imune to killing blow and poison. I wanted to give it a ward save, but i dont like the fact of giving him Stupidity, or Walach's Bloddy Hauberk (4+ as, 5+ ws) seems a bit expensive...

The scouting vamp will do much as you said: terror bomb, run for warmachines and march-block units. I think armor of night, -2 for shotting him, protects him enough, as with Movement 9, 18 on march move, i can leave him out of sight of nasty wizards before i get in place for a charge.

ill see for the Flayed Hauberk, your right at the fact that 25 pts for 2+ AS could be great, especially on my vamp with the great weapon. Although i like the rod, chance of making panic on units is always great, a Vampire never suffers from to much protection!

Ill come up with a new list, ill try to fit in the helm of command

thanks

 

[Lord Viggo]

Here is the new list i have came up with. I made it a bit more combat-oriented. The magic phase will be mainly to make sure in dont run out of skeletons.

Vampie Lord
Level 3
Dread Knight
Red Fury
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Cadaverous Cuirasse
Helm of Command
Balefire Spike
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385 pts

Vampire
Avatar of Death (Great Weapon)
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Flayed Hauberk
Dispel Scroll
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170 Pts

Vampire
Hunter in the Night
Supernatural Horror
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Talisman of Lycin
Armor of Night
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200 pts

Necromancer
Invocation of Nehek
Vanhel's Dance Macabre
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Book of Arkahan
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105 pts

CORE
20 Skeletons, Champion, banner, banner of the dead legion - 201 pts

20 skeletons, champion, banner, war banner - 201 pts

15 ghouls - 120 pts

5 Dire wolves - 40 pts

5 dire wolves - 40 pts

SPECIAL
6 Black Knights, banner - 160 pts

RARE
1 Varghulf - 175 pts

4 Cairn Wraits - 200 pts

TOTAL: 1997 pts

One thing that bug me is that i would really like to give my vamp with GW Infinite Hatred, but i dont know where to get the points. Do you think the Book of Arkhan is necessary? I think its a great item, but is 3 surely-hitting attacks by a vamp better?

Tell me what you think of this new list guys!

thanks

 

[Vanhal]

I have used a scout Vampire (same build) some times now. Always with success. He is vulnerable to non-LOS magic and models with high BS. But then again, all characters can't be overprotected.

 

[Geraint]

I'd take a banshee. The scream is invaluable. Not sure where I'd find the points in that list, though. Lose a Black Knight?

 

[Jack Shrapnel]

I'd drop a knight to save some points (five is still a good number)

If you're doing wraiths, I'd definitely do the banshee

Infinite hatred may give you an extra attack here and there (vamps weapon skill is already making him hit on 3's with almost everyone) but the book gives you a guarenteed van hels... which can make that whole front rank fight first when engaged in close combat and EVERYONE gets to re-roll misses... vamp and normal troops alike..

don't just think the book for the movement (which is also great of course) but the close combat possibilities...

infinite hatred vs. book of arkhan... I'd take the book every time...

 

[ivrg]

My first reaction is that it is very character heavy and monster heavy but dont have so much core troops.

 

[Geraint]

That's a fair point. Big blocks of troops don't actually kill much but they do tend to win combats and force your opponent to run away. The other point which occurs is that the Helm of Commandment is pretty much a waste on a Lord designed for combat, since he needs to be in combat and it's only of use when he's not.

 

[Lord Viggo]

Ok so here is roughly the final version of my list, as i need to send it to get verified by the tournement admin. So any last minutes comments is welcome!

Vampie Lord
Level 3
Dread Knight
Red Fury
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Cadaverous Cuirasse
Balefire Spike
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355 pts

Vampire
Avatar of Death (Great Weapon)
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Flayed Hauberk
Dispel Scroll
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170 Pts

Vampire
Hunter in the Night
Supernatural Horror
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Talisman of Lycin
Armor of Night
Sword of battle
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200 pts

Necromancer
Vanhel's Dance Macabre
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Book of Arkahan
Bitting Blade
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95 pts

CORE
20 Skeletons, Champion, banner, banner of the dead legion - 201 pts

20 skeletons, champion, banner, war banner - 201 pts

20 ghouls - 160 pts

5 Dire wolves - 40 pts

5 dire wolves - 40 pts

SPECIAL
5 Black Knights, banner - 136 pts

RARE
1 Varghulf - 175 pts

4 Cairn Wraits, Banshee - 225 pts

TOTAL: 1998 pts

 

[Lord Roke]

My suggestion would be to dump the ghouls for a block of 20 zombies ... that saves you 60 points right there ... plus they raise faster.
Next, drop the Balefire spike on your Lord ... that's another 10 points for that ... Dread Knight gives him a lance anyway, so unless you figure youll be taking him into Treekin, Tomb Kings or Nurgle blocks, its a bit of a waste.
Next, drop the Biting Blade on the Necro ... that's 5 points there ... he doesn't need it, and you don't want him in combat anyway.

So now you have 75 points to have fun with. My suggestion would be to get another BK, and add the Banner of Barrows to that unit. Or toss Infinite Hatred on your Vamp, and give the BK's BoB ... that +1 to hit will make the difference in combat ... trust me. With the left over points you could give your new zombie unit a musician or a standard for more CR.

~Roke

 

[Uvatha]

That's a pretty solid list man.

That looks like the kind of list I would take for a tourny. Nice blocks of skelies with character support, a sniper vampire, the wraiths are just too good to pass up, and the banshee is brutal. The BK are just a small support unit, to flanck charge something I guess, and it's nice, but I think it's gonna get shot down to pieces almost every battle before they even see combat. I don't know for sure, maybe it's just me, but if I were up against you I would shoot them for some easy VP.

Ûvatha

 

[Kelzadus]

Seems like a unit of Grave Guard woulda been nice :\. Maybe thats just me tho. Since your unit of BK's are at a min, I would Bard them so they dont get 2 shotted before you can raise any.