2246pts First VC List

[EmperorB]

Well I've recently decided to fall off the wagon and collect Warhammer again and I've decided to go with VC. As I've never played with VC's before I'm still unsure if my planned army and tactics will work out, and as such I need all the help and constructive criticism I can get. I decided to go straight for a 2250pt list as that is the size of a typical battle at my local group.

Theme wise I see this an the remnants of a snowy Border Kingdom that fell under the control of a Vampire centuries ago and now is made entirely of the undead as it marches to war to gain more land and blood for the vampire.

The List:

Lord:
Vampire Lord:
Hand Weapon, Nightmare, +1 Magic Level, Master of the Black Arts, Dark Acolyte, Lord of the Dead, Helm of Commandment, Wristbands of Black Gold, the Book of Arkhan.

Heroes:
Wight King:
Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Shield, Barded Skeletal Steed, Battle Standard Bearer, Drakenhof Banner.

Necromancer:
Hand Weapon, Dispell Scroll, Additional Spell (Invocation of Nehek & Vanhel's Danse Macabre)

Necromancer:
Hand Weapon, Dispell Scroll, Additional Spell (Invocation of Nehek & Vanhel's Danse Macabre)

Core:
Skeleton Warriors (19):
Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Shield, Spear, Full Command, Warbanner.

Skeleton Warriors (19):
Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Shield, Spear, Full Command, Icon of Vengeance.

Skeleton Warriors (20):
Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Shield, Spear, Full Command, Banner of the Endless Nightmare.

Dire Wolves (9):
Hand Weapon, Doom Wolf

Dire Wolves (5):
Hand Weapon

Special:
Black Knights (9):
Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lance, Shield, Barding, Full Command, Banner of the Dead Legion.

Fell Bats (5):
Hand Weapon

Rare:
Black Coach

Tactics:
My Vampire Lord joins the unit of 9 Dire Wolves as a mobile bunker allowing her to move to wherever best suits the range of her spells. The Wight King joins the Black Knights as part of my mobile assault force, supported by the Black Coach so they can march move and the unit of 5 Dire Wolves as a screen. The Skeletons form the solid core of my army with the 19 strong units each receiving a Necromancer who's goal is to cast Vanhel's Danse Macabre and additional healing if my Vampire Lord is busy. Finally the Fell Bats either move to support my mobile section or head off to hunt down artillery or lone spell casters.

 

[subber45]

I think its solid other then the lack of armour for the Vampire Lord. I actually like the list alot. If I had to offer advice Id suggest the Strigoi Banner on the Black Knights instead of Dead Legion. They will be sitting at US 20 when they hit ( Most likely) and the ws 3 tends to make them rubber lance. ( Just a suggestion though )

 

[Capt Rubber Ducky]

I agree with stubber that the strigos would be better for the blackknights. I would also consider buying a lance for the Wight king so he can do some more dammage. I am liking the idea of a mobile bunker i think that will work well make sure you stay out of CC as they won't last long in it at all.

I think the Lord would benifit more from having Forbidden Lore rather then Dark acoloyte as it gives you the ability to choose a diffrent lore if you need to and it makes sure you get Vanhels.

 

[EmperorB]

With the change in banners and the lance for the Wight King, the problem is freeing up the necessary points. I've only got 4pts up my sleeve so something will need to be dropped. One possible route would be to drop the number of Black Knights, for the cost of one BK I gain enough points to take a lance, upgrade the banner and switch to Forbidden Lore whilst staying under the point limit.

So the question then is what is more useful for my BKs the rank bonus and outnumber or a lance and hatred?

 

[subber45]

Lance and hatred !!! The Wight king is solid but strenght 4 is not enough to carry him through alone. Besides the basic doubleing of your to hit rolls on the Bk will MORE then accomodate for the lack of Rank , Rank is only + 1 CR. 5 to 8 extra shots at killing folks can make the potential impact of 2 to 3 more CR then no hatred. Id take hatred anyday.

 

[EmperorB]

Well then with that strong advice I adjust the list so that it becomes:

The List:

Lord:
Vampire Lord:
Hand Weapon, Nightmare, +1 Magic Level, Master of the Black Arts, Forbidden Lore, Lord of the Dead, Helm of Commandment, Wristbands of Black Gold, the Book of Arkhan.

Heroes:
Wight King:
Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Shield, Barded Skeletal Steed, Lance, Battle Standard Bearer, Drakenhof Banner.

Necromancer:
Hand Weapon, Dispell Scroll, Additional Spell (Invocation of Nehek & Vanhel's Danse Macabre)

Necromancer:
Hand Weapon, Dispell Scroll, Additional Spell (Invocation of Nehek & Vanhel's Danse Macabre)

Core:
Skeleton Warriors (19):
Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Shield, Spear, Full Command, Warbanner.

Skeleton Warriors (19):
Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Shield, Spear, Full Command, Icon of Vengeance.

Skeleton Warriors (20):
Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Shield, Spear, Full Command, Banner of the Endless Nightmare.

Dire Wolves (9):
Hand Weapon, Doom Wolf

Dire Wolves (5):
Hand Weapon

Special:
Black Knights (8):
Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lance, Shield, Barding, Full Command, Strigoi Banner.

Fell Bats (5):
Hand Weapon

Rare:
Black Coach

Total: 2245pts

 

[subber45]

Looking sharp ! You wont make any friends with 3 VD in the army, however you Will make alot of dead plastic guys for the other team ! :devil2: Let us know how it fares.

 

[EmperorB]

You wont make any friends with 3 VD in the army, however you Will make alot of dead plastic guys for the other team !

Actually its 4 VD if my VL takes the vampire lore (1 VL, 2 Necro, 1 Book of Arkhan) so I'll be lucky just to avoid being hated Still now comes the process of acquiring the army so I can test it.

 

[subber45]

Ah tis true ! But hey, they can get over it. Soon enough the new Edition will be out annd the other books will be rewritten. If the HPA and Hydra are any indicators we wont stay OTT for long. o.o

 

[angelofdeath]

I do like the idea of the fast moviing dire wolves bunker

My only criticism would be to swap out the icon of vengeance because the only time it starts to work is when your general is dead (the bad type of dead lol) and when that happens its likely your gonns lose anyway, that'd free up 25pts, maybe swap it for standard of hellish vigour to keep one of your line regiments moving or put the points in somwhere else?

Apart from that the list looks solid