2400 ETC list help

[astrapopsolhs]

I'm kinda new to VC and i want some advice on how the army works and what should I or should I not include... Anyway I've come up with a 2400 ETC list for an upcoming tourney and here's what I have:

Vampire Lord General,level 3
Red Fury, Infinite Hatred,Lord of the Dead
Flayed Hauberk,Wristbands of Black Gold,Black Periapt,Helm of Commandment

Vampire Loremaster(probably Light),Summon Ghouls
Dispell Scroll,Cadaverous Cuirass,Ironcurse Icon

Wight King BSB, Drakenhoff Banner

2x24 Ghouls with ghast

24 Skeleton Warriors (for blood and glory scenario)
spear,musician,standard bearer, Lichbone Banner

29 Grave Guard
GW,musician,standard bearer,Banner of Barrows

Black Coach

5 Cairn Wraiths

The total is 2398 and I just dont know how I'm going to protect my wraiths against magic... Also any advice on magic items and vampire powers would be appreciated...

 

[Ghurt]

First I would define a purpose for the lord, is he going combat or magic?

If combat then you need a ward save in cc, and could scrap the periapt, wristbands and helm. Get a real ward and a sword.

If Magic Lord then scrap red fury, lord of the dead and infinate hatred. Get him to be a lvl 4 caster or perhaps a lvl 3 with forbidden lore and preferably summon ghouls.

I would pick champ on the gg and reduce their number to 28.

You dont need the skeleton banner as their is no way the ETC scenarios are gonna be a B&G. It is just very unbalanced and encourages deathstars. Scrap them and get the maximum 3 units of ghouls.

Youre rare choices are exactly as mine. Good choice.

I would scrap the thrall vampire and get even more ghouls. They work best when in Horde.

Good luck in the tournament!

 

[astrapopsolhs]

So I've decided to includeva Caster Lord... The tourney is in 5 days and I really wannna win cause there's a pretty cool prize (50 euros to spend on my undead collecion
So this is the list...
Vampire Lord General,level 3
MotBA,Loremaster,Summon Ghouls
Wristbands of Black Gold,Dispell Scroll,Cadaverous Cuirass,Helm of Commandment 455 points

Wight King BSB with Drakenhoff banner 225 points

Necromancer with IoN and Vh
Black Periapt 85 points

30 Ghouls with ghast 240 points

25 Ghouls with ghast 208 points

24 Ghouls with ghast 200 points

20 Zombies FC 92 points

28 Grave Guard GW FC Banner of Barrows 440 points

Black Coach 200 points

5 Cairn Wraiths 250 points

I tried the skeleton warriors yesterday versus an empire player who had a pretty nasty gunline and they died out pretty quickly, so I decided to use zombies instead for the banner
and just raise them with the necromancer... I dont realy know though i I need the necromancer for a supporting caster........ Any advice????

 

[Ghurt]

Sorry but that list is illegal.

Make the GG unit 28 strong as otherwise they cost a little too much.

Also you are only allowed 3 ghoul units. Use the fourth unit to bolster the other three

 

[astrapopsolhs]

thanks a lot mate... I edited the list and I think it's ok...

 

[TobinRoss89]

I would drop the helm or re do your lords vamperic powers. They just dont mix well, make him either more combat or caster oriented. Also your lord setup is illegal with the current ect rules,you cant have master of the black arts and forbidden lore.

 

[Ghurt]

He can have it but is only allowed to use one of the PD each turn. And thats not worth it. Drop FL and pick up lvl4.

 

[TobinRoss89]

Yeah take the lv4 Thats what I do with my ect list. Also what are you going to do when you run into an army that has some good magic stopping power like dwarfs,empire,and orks? Plus 2 dice is not going to cut it. Also Im not a fan of the Drakenhoff anymore, I would drop it for something else.

 

[horus1976]

I use a lv4 lord too in my etc list. I Gear him with preservation,summon gouls, helm and MoTBA. The rest is up to the player to decide. The "first strike" weapon is an alternative choice. 3 horde gouls is a must. Zombies for adittional banner and a possile tarpit also are nice. The GG are a must just as you play them. In my list appart from the Necro and the WK bsb, I field two more WKs. One with 2+save and sword of kings and another one with Black axe of Krell. With the helm those guys become almost equal to other lords in the game and can bring down almost everything. As for your rares I prefer another GG with Hatred banner but that is just me. Generally you have a great etc list.

 

[astrapopsolhs]

Yeah you're I can't have both
Anyways after a playtest before the tournament I'm thinking about fitting somewhere some dire wolves just for warmachine-hunting... what do you say???

 

[HerraMauno]

I would change black coach for wraiths. Unit of 8 wraiths is just insane unit against most armies. I just had a tourney with these comps and it seemed that most powerful VC build would be 2x 40 ghouls and a horde of GG. 40 sized ghoul units don't give points easily and actually score some points for you. I ended up 7. and tourney winner played VC also.

My list was:

Vampire lord
lvl 3
red fury
infinite hatred
summon ghouls
sword of strife
cadaverous cuirass
dragon bane gem
the other trickster's shard
potion of strenght
445

wight king
bsb
drakenhof banner
225

Vampire
forbidden lore (shadows)
helm of commandment
black periapt
180

necromancer (macabre)
dispel scroll
ironcurse icon
85

40 ghouls
ghast
328

40 ghouls
ghast
328

28 GG with GW's
FC
banner of barrows
439

3 fell bats 60

3 fell bats 60

5 wraiths 250

total: 2400

 

[TobinRoss89]

Your list looks fine, the only thing that really stands out to me is put the two units of fell bats together. Also I would drop drakenhoff buts thats just me, since I seem to be alone on that issue on this site.

 

[Arthander]

your not alone on the no Hoff banner. For the points of the banner with the WK... i'de rather have well, the points. 30 ghouls a vargulf, or just another vamp to spam invokation on them.

as for the list, no ward save on the VL ?

 

[HerraMauno]

VL sits with hof banner in GG so he doesn't need ward of his own. And another thing i don't want to steal this thread so pls comment on his list at least more than mine.

 

[TobinRoss89]

With no way to add dice in the magic phase (and no the periapt does not count since it just shifts) and having the coach in your list does not sit well with me. Just a thought though

 

[HerraMauno]

Whose list are you talking about? In my list there is no coach and in his list is MotBA. I would say coach just isn't good enough to compete with varghulf or wraiths.

 

[astrapopsolhs]

if I put a Varghulf i'm definetely swaping MotBA for FL to get lore of light and cast speed of light on the Varghulf,otherwise it's going to get squashed with initiative 2,but if I do my list will look a little something like this:
Vampire Lord General,Level 3
forbidden lore (lore of light),summon ghouls,dark acolyte
cadaverous cuirass,black periapt,crown of the damned,helm of commandment
430pts
Wight King BSB w/Drakenhoff Banner
225pts
Necromancer (vanhel)
dispell scroll,charmed shield
85pts
30 Ghouls w/ghast
248pts
30 Ghouls w/ghast
248pts
25 Ghouls w/ghast
208pts
20 Zombies mus,std
92pts
28 GG GW,FC,Barrows
439pts
Varghulf
175pts
5 Wraiths
250pts
That's the Varghulf list but I'm not ready to take out the Coach yet,as it's served me quite well so far...