2400 vc list need some help

[Sjakbej]

Hey fellow undeads
My list are something like this :

Lords
Master necromancer lvl 4 with talisman of endurance

Heroes
Vampire bsb add hw lvl1 armour of silvered steel

Core
5x dire wolfs - doomwolf
5x dire wolfs - doomwolf
50x zombies with std
50x zombies with stdk
30x zombies with std
30x zombies with std

Special
6x crypt horrors
6x crypt horrors
34 GG full com with. gw and borrows

Rares
Terrorgheist
Terrorgheist

Something like this i will mainly face doc horde of bloodletters with herald 2x bloodthirster and 2 cannons hope some can help

 

[Cela Shyish]

I'd drop the doomwolves from the dire wolf packs since they're mainly redirector units so you're just paying extra points for things that won't do much damage, the tarpits and anvils would work well for the terrorgheists normally but cannons really destroy monsters :\ so you're probably best swapping the terrorgheists out for things with smaller profiles, especially since your opponent has ward saves in abundance, making the ignoring armour part less effective, I would probably try trading out the necromancer for a blender lord with the other trickster's shard, that forces all models in base contact with him to re-roll successful ward saves, reducing their durability, bloodletters got very few attacks so zombies are probably a good call, although thinking about it, they got killing blow right? so it may actually be better to use the necromancer if that is the case, unless you can reliably protect yourself or destroy his units before they can attempt to KB your lord. I do definitely recommend the other trickster's shard though and Vargheists are probably not a bad choice to hunt their cannons. I'm not sure what would be best for dealing with Blood thirsters as to be honest I've never fought daemons before and its been awhile since I've played 8th. But I do know cannons are bad for your Terrorgheists so you may want to consider alternatives for damage output.

 

[Sjakbej]

I'd drop the doomwolves from the dire wolf packs since they're mainly redirector units so you're just paying extra points for things that won't do much but i im gonna try and figure out a new l9st damage, the tarpits and anvils would work well for the terrorgheists normally but cannons really destroy monsters :\ so you're probably best swapping the terrorgheists out for things with smaller profiles, especially since your opponent has ward saves in abundance, making the ignoring armour part less effective, I would probably try trading out the necromancer for a blender lord with the other trickster's shard, that forces all models in base contact with him to re-roll successful ward saves, reducing their durability, bloodletters got very few attacks so zombies are probably a good call, although thinking about it, they got killing blow right? so it may actually be better to use the necromancer if that is the case, unless you can reliably protect yourself or destroy his units before they can attempt to KB your lord. I do definitely recommend the other trickster's shard though and Vargheists are probably not a bad choice to hunt their cannons. I'm not sure what would be best for dealing with Blood thirsters as to be honest I've never fought daemons before and its been awhile since I've played 8th. But I do know cannons are bad for your Terrorgheists so you may want to consider alternatives for damage output.

Thx alot for the answer , yeah the cannons really hurts monsters but again against his bloodthirsters they hit hard since he dont have much def and can be target in combat , but will consider doing a new list with some other things great fast answer but would you put more zombies insted for the 20 point doomwolves?

 

[Hellion Nox]

Hey, that's one cheesy list your opponent is bringing.

My answer would be to answer with the most cheesy response you can make with a VC army..
Ghoul king, curse of revenant, scabscrath mounted on terrorgheist & take 2 more terrorgheist in rare.
Vargheists in special as much as you can bring.
Zombies to just fill in the core but bring a unit of 2-4 dire wolves.

This army is all about fast moving and screaming the crap out of your opponent. Its cheesy, but for a list like your enemy.. I'd certainly take it.

You can certainly check this guide for more info on units https://www.vampirecounts.net/threads/sunny-najo’s-vampire-counts-handbook-2014.27561/

 

[Sjakbej]

Hey, that's one cheesy list your opponent is bringing.

My answer would be to answer with the most cheesy response you can make with a VC army..
Ghoul king, curse of revenant, scabscrath mounted on terrorgheist & take 2 more terrorgheist in rare.
Vargheists in special as much as you can bring.
Zombies to just fill in the core but bring a unit of 2-4 dire wolves.

This army is all about fast moving and screaming the crap out of your opponent. Its cheesy, but for a list like your enemy.. I'd certainly take it.

You can certainly check this guide for more info on units https://www.vampirecounts.net/threads/sunny-najo’s-vampire-counts-handbook-2014.27561/

Thx for the reply yeah thats for sure a cheesy list i have adjusted it abit like this :

Lord :
vampire lvl4 - ToP-QB- RF- nightshroud- OTS -lance and shield and on drake

Heroes :
Necromancer lvl 1 MoD and dispell

core :
5x dire wolves
5x dire wolves
5x dire wolves
40x skeletons STD
40x skeletons STD
20x zombies STD

Special :
corpse cart
6x Crypt horrors
5x Hexwraith

rares
T-BAT
T-BAT

 

[Seneschal]

I would leave the cart at home and get varghiests if you have them. Take more hexwraiths if you can't. The cart can't march and your army will be moving rather slowly on Turn Two after your general is no longer close to them so I would bump the horrors (I like them 8 strong) or take more infantry.

 

[Sjakbej]

I would leave the cart at home and get varghiests if you have them. Take more hexwraiths if you can't. The cart can't match and your any will be moving rather slowly on Turn Two after your general is no longer close to them so I wouldn't bump the horrors (I like them 8 strong) or take more infantry.

Hmm i tought the same about the cart but i really cant find a Way to do so? Any suggestions?

 

[Seneschal]

Do you mean how can you make the Cart faster? Danse Macabre but i's not worth it

Wow, there were a lot of typos in my first post...

 

[Sjakbej]

Do you mean how can you make the Cart faster? Danse Macabre but i's not worth it

Wow, there were a lot of typos in my first post...

Sry about that no how to make room for 2 vargeist

 

[Seneschal]

Sorry, I was all over the place with that one.

Since your list is fast, I would leave the horrors at home and take swift units like the suggested varghiests or extra hexwraiths. Drop the cart as well, of course.

 

[Sjakbej]

Sorry, I was all over the place with that one.

Since your list is fast, I would leave the horrors at home and take swift units like the suggested varghiests or extra hexwraiths. Drop the cart as well, of course.

Hmm good point i Will return with some changes and hope you Will take a look again - thx alot for the answer

 

[Sjakbej]

Okay some changes - 6 vargeist instead 6 horrors instead of the cart i have pumped my lvl 1 mage to lvl 2 and added dread knight for my vampire Lord - how does that Sound?

 

[Seneschal]

Sounds good. Some people don't like Dread Knight on a lord but it may be what you need if the dragon vamp is fighting something by himself. You want him in a challenge where he won't be attacked by an entire unit, thus giving him and the beast a greater chance of surviving. The problem is if you combo charge the dragon with rider and say, the vargs, it'd be better if he wasn't stuck in a challenge. (people usually bring a varg champ and leave the dread knight upgrade at home for this reason, freeing your vamp with dragon to attack the enemy unit on a flank and wreck havoc)

 

[Sjakbej]

Sounds good. Some people don't like Dread Knight on a lord but it may be what you need if the dragon vamp is fighting something by himself. You want him in a challenge where he won't be attacked by an entire unit, thus giving him and the beast a greater chance of surviving. The problem is if you combo charge the dragon with rider and say, the vargs, it'd be better if he wasn't stuck in a challenge. (people usually bring a varg champ and leave the dread knight upgrade at home for this reason, freeing your vamp with dragon to attack the enemy unit on a flank and wreck havoc)

That makes perfekt sense i - i Will do that - thx alot for the help i Will return when i have tries it out both ways cheers