2500 Cav Star

[Velmates]

Currently I am using a smaller list of 1500 points but I want to go 2500 soon (I still have to get the models).

I am not a huge fan of Death Star lists because I think it is somewhat obvious what such lists are up to and many players are able to counter it effectively (I was told... never used one myself...).

But since I like cavalry (ever did) I wanted to try out a list with some BK in it. I tried a few versions without the blender vamps in it but they didn't seem to perform well enough. So, no way around, I reckon.

Except for the standard blender vampire lord I wanted to fit a death sniper vamp in the unit so I don't need another death necro and he can use the LD of 10 of the general. What do you think?

I filled up the core with DW as redirectors and chaff but mainly because I don't want to field another block of zombies. I hope they will do well. I've never used that many wolves before...

I am also not sure about the Vargheists and the double Terrorgheists. Maybe I will replace them with some Hexwraiths, a Varghulf and a TG... Not sure.

If anyone has any ideas about changes on general, feel free to suggest.

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: I just saw I am missing 5 points on my core... hmmmm. So?

 

[Seneschal]

Drop dreadknight and grab some zombie command.
I make lists with level 3 VL's and it doesn't bother me. Drop the level upgrade and grab the Other Trickster's Shard. It will come in handy when you face particular armies and characters. Also, take dragonhelm and shield over enchanted shield.
A death vamp should work well although I'm surprised a blender hero didn't help you much.
The double TG's are fine. If you end up having them fall easily after playtesting, then try out the substitutions you listed.
I personally think a BK bus needs three characters to get the job done but see if this list works for you.

 

[Velmates]

I dropped the 4th magic level on the Lord and made him a Level 3. The main reason why I took it in the first place was for dispelling reasons but I hope a Level 3 and the scroll will do it for me. I dropped the E-Shield as well. With the 40 points I've got left I bought the Dragonhelm and the Other Trickster's Shard for the Lord and a Muso and Standard for the Zombie Bunker to get the minimum core requirement. This leaves me with 5 points vacant. Nice.

Seneschal, what do you mean with you're surprised a blender hero didn't help me much? Help me with what? I've never playtested this list so far... Are you referring to drop the death vamp and make him a Lore of Vampire caster? I thought of that as well so I can drop the scroll caddie and replace him by a WK to join the bus as a BSB but in this case I have to change the list further so he will fit. Maybe I should drop the caddie, one TG and make him a Varghulf and a SH base so I can get a BSB WK with a barded steed and nightshroud... Hmmm, I would do it in an instant if I would not lose the TG...

 

[Seneschal]

Ah, my bad, I read "I tried a few versions with the blender vamps in it..." instead of "without the."
Nightshroud BK's are an excellent choice for the third hero in a BK bus.
Keep the caddie, scrolls are extremely important.

 

[Velmates]

If I keep the caddie I would have to get rid of one TG in full (and keep both SH bases and also Lore of Death on the Hero Vamp) to add the BSB WK w/ Barded Steed, Nightshroud, Lance and Shield. That leaves me with 51 free points, if I am not mistaken. So best to add one Vagheist?...

Still... it hurts to loose the 2nd TG... Just one of them and nothing to hide behind except for the not omnipresent terrain makes him a priority target for any cannon out there I fear...

 

[Seneschal]

Drop the varghiests then. I honestly prefer making lists with a unit of 6 myself although most on this forum prefer smaller units.

 

[Tamodan Varison]

No need for dropping the TG. Both the Vargheists and the Spirit Hosts aren't really necessary I think. You can even use the points for a 3ed vampire, with Red Fury. If you don't buy A 3ed one, I'd definately go for Sword of Swift Slaying and Red Fury, the above-suggested "blender"

For a little more insight, I would, despite the shameless self-promotion, want to pint you at my Battle Report here. It uses a BK bus, and it's used at quite a high level of competetive play. So you know, amidst all my gibber gabber you might find something a little interesting. For the use of the big Ghoul block, I advize you the "Johnnys Battle Reports" thread, although his list looks quite different. Also, check out the thread by Kevin.Hopkings7 in the army lists forum. His list also has some deathstar-like characteristics, and functions in quite the same way.

 

[Velmates]

Great battle reports (or whatever you may call your reflections of your tourny). And very interesting builds there. As I said, I always wanted to try these Hexwraiths and I think I will give them a try. Do you think a list like yours would work with just 2 units of them and a ghoul horde instead of the large zombie units? I will give it a try anyway. I just try to figure out what my budget can afford...