2500pt VC vs WoC - Blood Knights vs Skullcrushers
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Hellion Nox
Grave Guard
I know exactly what you mean.
Though, I think you might've had more succes if you hadn't challenged him with your lord. Giving him ASL through the nightshroud and likely dashing a fair amount of attacks on him. (Lord, hero, wight king, blood knights)
If he had still been in his unit however. Challenging him out with a blood knight and have the rest of your characters/knights bring the pain to the unit would have had him run most likely (don't think he has stubborn)
Though, I think you might've had more succes if you hadn't challenged him with your lord. Giving him ASL through the nightshroud and likely dashing a fair amount of attacks on him. (Lord, hero, wight king, blood knights)
If he had still been in his unit however. Challenging him out with a blood knight and have the rest of your characters/knights bring the pain to the unit would have had him run most likely (don't think he has stubborn)
"Though, I think you might've had more succes if you hadn't challenged him with your lord. Giving him ASL through the nightshroud and likely dashing a fair amount of attacks on him. (Lord, hero, wight king, blood knights)"
I don't think you can do this. If you refuse a challenge doesn't every model that could have potentially accepted the challenge go to the rear of the unit and "hide"? or is it only the model with the highest leadership?
Also, I reckon my setup had a pretty decent chance to kill his Lord.....except I took the wrong weapon. I normally equip my lord with the Ogre Blase giving him strength 7, which would easily wound the T5 chaos lord on 2+ and reduce his armour save to either 5+ or 6+. But I accidentally gave him the sword of strife, so at strength 5 i haad to roll 4s to wound then he gets a 3+ or 4+ save.
I don't think you can do this. If you refuse a challenge doesn't every model that could have potentially accepted the challenge go to the rear of the unit and "hide"? or is it only the model with the highest leadership?
Also, I reckon my setup had a pretty decent chance to kill his Lord.....except I took the wrong weapon. I normally equip my lord with the Ogre Blase giving him strength 7, which would easily wound the T5 chaos lord on 2+ and reduce his armour save to either 5+ or 6+. But I accidentally gave him the sword of strife, so at strength 5 i haad to roll 4s to wound then he gets a 3+ or 4+ save.
LordTobiothan
Crypt Horror
Isn't the challenged character forced to go back? You can't challenge a champ have it refused and tell there lord to leave.
You can't call out a specific model. The challenger issues then any other char or champ can choose to accept. If none accept, then the challenger chooses which character does not get to fight, so a champion issuing a challenge can be a good way to deny a character some wounds. The only thing that you know before choosing to accept is which model is issuing the challenge
LordTobiothan
Crypt Horror
Well I'll be damned. There it is in black and white. Not sure that changes it much from how I've played it but it's good to know.
Very good battle report, i enjoyed it.
If i may, i saw one mistake in this game, it is about the challenge between your vampire lord and his chaos lord, the thing is that you couldnt use your nightshroud against him, because when two models are in a challenge they considered to be in contact only with each other, so every other models in your units are not in contact with his chaos lord.
If i may, i saw one mistake in this game, it is about the challenge between your vampire lord and his chaos lord, the thing is that you couldnt use your nightshroud against him, because when two models are in a challenge they considered to be in contact only with each other, so every other models in your units are not in contact with his chaos lord.
I can't see this rule anywhere. All the rule book says is that 2 models in a challenge is assumed to be in base contact. It does not state anything about excluding base contact with other models.
Hellion Nox
Grave Guard
It is THE reason to have your NS bearer in base contact with your lord, so you can transfer it to models in base contact with him, even if he gets into a challenge. For as far as I know.
I can't seem to find any info on that it should've been done otherwise either.
I can't seem to find any info on that it should've been done otherwise either.
cofius, you are probably thinking of this rule
"These two characters must direct all of their attacks against each other — they cannot be attacked by any other model for that round of close combat." BRB pg 102.
It does not mention anything about special/magical effects.
Anyway, thanks for watching.
"These two characters must direct all of their attacks against each other — they cannot be attacked by any other model for that round of close combat." BRB pg 102.
It does not mention anything about special/magical effects.
Anyway, thanks for watching.
Was a nice battle report. Subbed aswell for future reports and will be making my way through the others
I too face chaos often and I can only give the advice of never putting a lord up against theirs. If they've kitted them out properly they'll best you 8/10
Hmmm
maybe i'am playing it wrong all along...
Hellion Nox
Grave Guard
Well, there are two schools of thought on challenge models being in b2b with other models.
1. Challenge models are only b2b with each other. The rulebook says that removing them both from the combat and placing them facing would be a great option so you can see where they are. This would remove the from b2b with anyone else. Additionally, if they are not already b2b, how do you decide who moves? If the VL moves, then he will likely lose the NS bonus; if the opponent moves, he could move in a way that avoids the NS because he technically only needs to be corner to corner with the VL and could go to the side that NS is not on. I presume this is why a VL is typically on a corner with the NS right next to him to avoid this issue, but still doesn't answer the problem of the VL having to move. In Building Assault, it says that models in a challenge can only ever be b2b with each other, which many correlate over to regular combats.
Below, either model could move and end in a way that NS is useless.
2. Models in a challenge can be b2b with other things because they are physically b2b with other models. Again, this doesn't answer the questions above about models moving and assumes the b2b is directly in front of each other as opposed to the pic above. The only way to fix this is to put the VL on a corner and the NS bearer next to him, and then either hope your challenge opponent lines up or try to convince your opponent to move their model, because it will likely be easier. The only way I can see fixing any movement issues that put the NS outside b2b with the challenge is to attempt a combat reform after the first round, assuming that both the VL and the NS bearer survive the first round.
For me, the first take is the fair one. Either can be argued for, but to me, the first is more logical and reliable. So if I think I can swing it, I sometimes give the VL the NS to avoid any arguments.
1. Challenge models are only b2b with each other. The rulebook says that removing them both from the combat and placing them facing would be a great option so you can see where they are. This would remove the from b2b with anyone else. Additionally, if they are not already b2b, how do you decide who moves? If the VL moves, then he will likely lose the NS bonus; if the opponent moves, he could move in a way that avoids the NS because he technically only needs to be corner to corner with the VL and could go to the side that NS is not on. I presume this is why a VL is typically on a corner with the NS right next to him to avoid this issue, but still doesn't answer the problem of the VL having to move. In Building Assault, it says that models in a challenge can only ever be b2b with each other, which many correlate over to regular combats.
Below, either model could move and end in a way that NS is useless.
2. Models in a challenge can be b2b with other things because they are physically b2b with other models. Again, this doesn't answer the questions above about models moving and assumes the b2b is directly in front of each other as opposed to the pic above. The only way to fix this is to put the VL on a corner and the NS bearer next to him, and then either hope your challenge opponent lines up or try to convince your opponent to move their model, because it will likely be easier. The only way I can see fixing any movement issues that put the NS outside b2b with the challenge is to attempt a combat reform after the first round, assuming that both the VL and the NS bearer survive the first round.
For me, the first take is the fair one. Either can be argued for, but to me, the first is more logical and reliable. So if I think I can swing it, I sometimes give the VL the NS to avoid any arguments.
Great post Alabaster, that is spot on. When my group plays we play the 1st option to. We play that only the challengers are in b2b, just saves arguing about who moves where and when. Doesnt come up that often though as not many players want to challenge a vampire lord
For the moving part of the challenge, brb is clear on that, challenger is never moved, the model who is answering is moved, and if you cant move it in btb with the challlenger it is asumed that they are in btb...
Right, but b2b can be corner to corner, which could still place the NS out of contact with the challenge; if they are assumed to be btb (as portrayed by setting them both outside the battle), they could easily be assumed to not be b2b with anything else, much like a building assault.
Hey Alabaster, did you not watch my video at 2:35 ? I explain how I place my Lord in the unit to guarantee NS working. And yes the BRB is clear that the one accepting the challenge has to move to base contact with the challenger. Not only that, the chaos lord was by himself on a juggernaut and I charged on his flank. My hero with the NS is definitely in base contact.
I also don't see anything in the rule book about separating the challengers from the unit.
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