AoS Rumors Thread

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Current State of AoS rumors, as summarized on reddit here

Here are all the current rumours:

THE BIG THREE (after Maggotkin magnificent release - Boole and Whitefang's rumors full confirmed )

Ogors

Unique Tyrant (monster) , Unique butcher (warmachine) , Unique maneater (female warmaster) , new tyrant , new butchers, new hunters (with sabres) , new mournfangs , new gluttons , new ironguts , and more fatty things.

Khazalid holds

12 new Kits = more for dispossessed than for fyreslayers who will have a new Magmadroth.

Some FS kits leaving the range (rune master ,doomseeker ,grimwrath , vulkite berzerkers, terrain/spells ) , gholem are coming.

No dual kits FS/Dispo

Four ancestor gods : Grimnir, Grungni, Valaya and Gazul

Khazalid holds will be the last tome of the edition

Cities of Sigmar

Cogforts (6 warscrolls, troop carrier for 3 units? bigger than mega gargant), Freeguild Gargant (2 model unit, with weapons platform on it for ranged), Named (Erasmus Zonn) Mage on Chimera, 4 new battlemages ( Light,Bright,Amethyst,??), faction terrain.

CoS vs Eshin spearhead starter set : Unique marshal (with separate big cat model), Warpriest with big warhammer, Gallants (Arch knights) unit 10 man, 10 Grenadiers vs Crixxit deathmaster ,Generic Deathmaster, 10 Night runners , 10 Gutter runners

Spearhead may substitute Warcry (?)

Duardins and Aelves will still be usable in the new CoS tome (maybe supplement BT)

THE OTHERS

Ossiarch : chariot hero, undisclosed hero or single model unit, ossiarch ushbati with long bows, ruststalker esque unit.

SoB: gargant matriarch

DoK : some love /more crone heralds AND anticipating Malerion’s aelves. DoK kits with dual customization Morathi or Krethusa followers . No current kits will be discontinued or refreshed.

Sylvaneth: Single hero grove guardian/gardener

Tzeentch: Silver Tower (terrain)

Lumineth: Phoenix guard reloaded (very old Whitefang hint) , Hoeth (mentioned)

Slaanesh: 1 foot hero

Likely end of edition campaign miniatures:

Khorghos Khul ascended

Maybe Cogforts (for all GA/factions)

No current rumors for:

Seraphon.

Standard disclaimer: these are just rumors, & while many come from relatively reliable rumor mongers any or all of them could be total BS.

With the 4e releases for Soulblight, Flesh Eaters, and Nighthaunt behind us, the only undead-specific rumors in the mill are regarding OBR, and these come from a post by Boole iirc buried somewhere in the unwieldy rumor mega-thread on TGA. I can't find the specific post, but there's a screencap here.

Gooood Evening, the storyteller has returned.


In the distant realm of Shyish, legions beyond counting are being committed to the production lines — nay, verily, in numbers most prodigious!


They say the decapitation strike remains the most efficacious stratagem in all Warhammer lore, and Katakros has gained newfound insight into this art — perchance you have witnessed the Ossiarch Ruststalker?


Do you recall the tale of Katakros' own demise?

Were you to possess a formidable Ossiarchstrike Chariot, every difficulty would find its solution! Indeed — let that golden Chariot be rendered grander and more magnificent!


Why, pray tell, do so many in the Mortal Realms resort to the use of firearms? 'Tis most vexing! Had our warriors but the gift of a third eye, these wretched gunslingers would pose no threat!


The Blacktoof shall return — yet how distant lies that future? That, my friends, remains a secret veiled in shadow!


For the Tithe of Bones!

Boole is semi-reliable, but likes to be somewhat coy and opaque. In general though, these rumors imply a relatively significant OBR wave for 4th edition, including

1. "Ossiarch Ruststalkers" as an offensive, possibly character hunting type unit. Ruststalkers are a 40k mechanicus unit that look like this:

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They're a 5 model per box medium-large infantry unit on 40mm bases, mostly on account of their extended digitigrade legs, You could pretty easily imagine an OBR version as a sort of lesser-necropolis-stalker, half way between mortek guard and the existing stalkers, taking on some of the speedy-movement-over-terrain skirmishy flanky role that necropolis stalkers used to be but that their 4e rules largely abandoned.


2. Ossiarchstrike Chariot - some sort of chariot-like war machine similar to the Stormcast Stormstrike Chariot:

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This might be an actual chariot, or perhaps just some chariot-sized bonemold mostrosity serving a similar roll. The rumor also seems to imply a more ornate variant, possibly a dual kit character version. OBR already have some soild (arguably too solid) options for fast moving hammers in morghasts, but it would be nice to have something in that vein that would specifically fit the theme and aesthetic of the Stalliarch Lords.


3. Some sort of 3-eyed answer to enemy ranged units. People are interpreting this as an OBR ranged infantry unit, possibly a dual kit with the previously mentioned ruststalkers. I'm personally hoping for mortek archers - more static, more weight of fire, the kind of thing you'd see firing from castle walls rather than the sort of faster skirmishy harassing unit you'd expect from a ranged unit on ruststalker bodies. Nothing in Boole's hint actually says this unit would itself be ranged, just that it would be an answer to enemy ranged units, so it could just as easily be a unit with extra defenses agaisnt shooting.


4. Blacktoof's return. This almost certainly referrs to Arkhan. A new Arkhan model would fit with GW's recent moves to phase out cross-faction dual kits, and many, including myself, assumed that GW intended to phase out the current Triple Mortarch kit after the Broken Realms campaign at the end of second edition killed off not just Arkhan himself, but all three of that kit's Dread Abyssal mounts. Subsequent releases have somewhat gone back on that, but regardless a new separate Arkhan model has been expected. In Old World times Arkhan specifically rode a chariot, so a new Arkhan could even be the 'golden chariot' fancier/hero dual kit variant of the chariot implied above, but the 'how distant lies that future' bit could also imply that while a new model for Arkhan is coming, it's possible that he won't be part of the 4e OBR release wave, maybe instead getting held back for an end-of-4e narrative campaign release, or possibly a 5th ed OBR release.

speaking of, though...

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That's it for actual OBR rumors. Somewhat more discouraging is that the end-of-edition campaign rumors revolve around cogforts for cities and a demon prince Khorgos Khul for chaos and absolutely no mention of undead what so ever, so it seems unlikely that well be seeing the vermindoom put down by the return of nagash and newly ascendant undead as some have expected. I'm some, I expected that.

The most recent 5e starter box faction rumors are also for Cities of Sigmar and Clan Eshin, rather than undead of any kind, breaking the chaos-death-destruction antagonist "cycle" that people imagined but that I was always skeptical of.

Then again, that's the rumor that I'm personally find to be the most dubious. Partially for the lack of stormcast in the box - which would be good for the game imo, but I just don't thing GW's yet willing to give up on the idea that stormcast might replicate the success of 40k's space marines in another game setting. Mostly because starter box eshin would mean skaven as the launch box antagonists two editions in a row, which just feels incredibly unlikely, and would mean extending the vermindoom into another edition, which would represent some painful stagnation of the AoS metanarrative, when an advancing narrative was a big selling point of the game up until covid threw everything off the rails.

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Anyway, that's the current state of AoS rumors, & Death rumors in particular. I've got my fingers crossed for the OBR release to be cool and help breath some new unlife into a faction that made a strong splash in the setting on release, but that has faded into the background for two editions now.
 
I can't believe they're already talking about end of edition. The obsolesce speed of Games Workshop is getting nuts.
 
I mean, Games Workshop isn't talking about the end of yhe edition yet. rumor buzz is, and rumor buzzards are always talking about the next edition. We have a year and a half until 5e is expected, with a new 4e ghb yet to come this summer supposed to get a full year before 5e aos in summer 2027, & even that might change. We're only half way through 4e's expected life cycle.

that said, 3 year edition spans do feel painfully rushed. dev work will be practically done on the next edition before real feedback's even had time to process on the last one. especially with the codex/battletome model for faction rules.

it would be one thing if faction rules worked like for middle earth or old world where basically everybody had their full rule set for the edition from day one, with later updates meant to be relatively minimal variants unless it's an entirely new faction release, so that everyone had three full years with the efition instead of some factions languishing with old or index rules for most of an edition, getting full faction riles only to habe them obsoleted a few months later.

Even if i didn't like or play old world myself, I'd still be rooting gor it to succeed in a big enough way to wedge itself into the edition update cycle, leading to a 4 year cycle for all the major gw games.
 


These rumors are sadly sounding pretty credible, and if they come to pass then I'll be pretty devastated. There are big problems with AoS 4e, but those problems are all in the game, not in the setting, not in the characters, not in the factions, not in the models, not in the narrative - except in so far as the narrative has progressed so slowly since broken realms outside of the start and end of editions. The Mortal Realms are a cool and compelling setting, very original and different. Blowing all that stuff up in another End Times reboot is a disaster, especially since the rules writers - the real source of the 4e doldrums - will remain.

So far there's no word word on what would happen to Shyish & the undead in this scenario. Nagash doesn't seem to be at all involved in this major transition, & might get killed off. Supposedly existing mapped areas are getting stitched into the new setting, but I can't imagine all the current factions will make the transition, and among undead factions it feels like the current studio is only invested in Soulblight and FEC, I would not be at all surprised for Nighthaunt & OBR to get squatted, in which event much of the shyish map will be lost anyway.

TBH, I could live with the death of Nagash, at least as a person/entity. The Mortarchs carrying on as effectively a cthonic pantheon of rival death deities is a direction that I've considered to be potentially interesting for a while, basically ever since Nagash created the Nadir. Much more worrying to me, though, is that the Nadir itself is not on any of the modern Shyish maps. Since 3e Nagashizzar has been a direction, not a place. Frankly, I cannot imagin keeping the Nadir if the realms get fused. But ditching the Nadir would undo everything cool that the undead have accomplished in AoS. It would, imo, have a far more negative impact on the lore and narrative of the undead than losing Nagash himself. Almost as bad as losing half the existing undead factions.

So yeah, I'm big worried about this. Hopefully it all turns out to be fake, but I definitely won't be investing any more time or money into AoS until the picture gets clearer.
 
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Alas, up 'til now Boole proved to be a credible source.
I'm very puzzled by this: the peculiarity of AoS was exactly this vast high fantasy setting with realms on different planes of existance. Kinda reminded me of D&D Planescape.
This seems a huge step toward a totally different direction...
 
I've seen a lot of people claiming the mortal realms were too weird and this was somehow keeping a lot of people from the game. I don't personally see it, but people claim to have that opinion themselves and i can't say they're lying about their own opinions.

Regardless of whether it's generally true of potential fans, it's /certainly/ been true of the modern AoS developmrnt team. The AoS team in 1e and 2e like to tell multi-realm style big picture stories - Realmgate Wars, Points of Light, Malign Portents, leading into a 2nd edition that had bespoke rules gor setting individual games in 7 different realms and for theming your army's irigin to any of them, and each new battletome fleshed out new details of different realms & established new ongoing narratived taking part in them.

Starting in 3rd, almost all of that wen't away. The people in charge were almost entirely focused on just one realm, new battletomes added very little in terms of narrative advancement at all, and much less detail on anything going on in other realms - Among undead factions the worst impact of this was for Soulblight, where the civil war between Neferata and Mannfred should have been a major event getting a lot of focus, at least within the Soulblight battletome, but it wasn't happening in Ghur so nothing.

Even worse - and this is what really kills my hopes for 'battle world' - the studio didn't even seem to have any interest in telling a story within the more narrow scope they had set up for themselved. "Having just a dingle realm to work with will make it easier to establish details and tell a coherent story" - they had only one realm to focus on in all of 3e and they didn't really do either of those things.

The narrative books in 1e and 2e actually told stories. The quality of those stories can be debated, but stuff /happened/ in ghd realmgate wars, in the Wrath of the Everchosen, etc. There was a sequence of events leading to various outcomed that impacted the state of the overall setting. In contrast, literally nothing happens in Thondia or Ravaged Coast. These books introduce particular locales & invite players to 'tell their own stories' in them, which is not the same thing.

So yeah, the problem with AoS lore, imo, isn't the setting itsdlf, but the current studio's refusal to do anything in it outside of the edition changeover campaigns, and that's not a prpblem that merging the realms together does anything for.
 
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I agree that the writers of the lore books didn't use the infinite realms idea to any extent. But, you know who did? Black Library authors! Every book had a brand new city and region of a realm created out of scratch for the purposes of the story. It could take the time to develop in the story or be destroyed, whatever made it most useful to the plot of that book. That's where it was very interesting.

If I had to guess, I'd say the change will be less like End Times for WHFB and more like the big shake up for 40K 8e where they created the rift. Major plot overhaul and direction, but not squatting a ton of armies. But, then I have trouble predicting what GW is going to do, so I guess we'll see!
 
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