WHFB - 7th Black Coach

[Ricw]

Ok, so the black coach has a 3+ armor save and a 4+ ward save. Fairly sturdy if you can keep it away from str7 attacks. I know it loses the armor save vs high str attacks but does it still get the ward save?

 

[Gutbusterr]

First off, does the auto kill thing work on a T6 model? arent most chariots like T3 or something? I dont have a current rulebook to clarify this.

Regardless im quite certain you always get ward and regeneration saves unless otherwise noted.

For instance, a bolt thrower ignores the armor of bloodknights. However if you were to take The Flag of Bloodkeep, they would then get a 4+ wardsave vs ranged attacks of ANY kind including war machines, templates and magic missles.

 

[Ricw]

str 7 is an autokill for all chariots regardless of toughness.

 

[Gutbusterr]

wasnt 100% sure on that, either way i believe you get the ward save no matter what.

 

[Master Vampire]

Ok, so the black coach has a 3+ armor save and a 4+ ward save. Fairly sturdy if you can keep it away from str7 attacks. I know it loses the armor save vs high str attacks but does it still get the ward save?

I believe you don't, as the AB says that under the 'High Strength' table in the Chariot contents. It says 'negates all saves and is immediately destroyed'

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

Hmm - I would actually assume the other way - that you would get a ward save. As far as I was aware unless a wording specifically states it ignores a ward save, then they are still allowed. However I am unsure of this one.

Where's NIB when you need him

 

[Black Soul]

The way I have seen it understood is that if not stated that no wards will work then they are used. If the ward is failed then it is destroyed!

 

[Master Vampire]

I believe this is actually something they put in some errata somewhere on the Net... And I can remember WS was allowed... I'm in doubt now. o_o

 

[Danceman]

You're missing something rather vital here. It does not say "negate" anywhere.

"...and fails any saving throw it might have...".

You have an armour save.
You have a ward safe.

Fail both = KA-BOOM!

 

[Bigpig]

You get the ward save. The autokill for chariots say "if hit and wounded" by a Str 7 or greater hit. Before being wounded you always have a chance to take an armor/ward/regen save as appropriate before the wound takes effect.

 

[Cromenon]

Well, a Str 7+ hit against a 3+ AS will indeed negate the armour save... (Unless chariots with 2+ or better AS... :S)

But you do get the Ward.