Crypt Horror Question

[Burnanation]

So I was playing a game last night and afterwards, one of the other players said "you know, you were using IoN on the Crypt Horrors wrong."

I was adding 1 wound back for each IoN in range, and 1 for casting the Vampire Lore.

He pointed out that they aren't large targets, ethereal, or vampires, so they should get the d6 + level.

I looked in the book and it looks like that is the case. Did we miss something or do can you really bring back that many?

 

[Count Plaga]

You get 1 + casting level of the wizard.
Only basic infantry get the d6 + casting level, and horrors are monstrous infantry.

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Yupp 1+ Level

 

[Burnanation]

What page is it on that says monstrous infantry? Or only regular infantry?

 

[Velmates]

On the page with all the necromancy spells. The Invocation of Nehek says that all infantry gains back W6+lvl and all others (except vampiric, ethereal and large targets, which get back 1) get back 1+lvl. So Monstrous Infantry gets back 1+lvl...

 

[Chaos_Born]

And this is why I prefer crypt horrors to vargheists

 

[meowser]

Yup. The look on an opponents face when you bring back 2 full models with a single IoN from a L4 is priceless...

 

[RobTheWise]

Just to throw it in there;

Varghiests:
Am I right to assume if in a unit of 3, one is slain and one has two remaining wounds, that a level 2 necro would restore a single wound on one ghiest, and resserect another to 1/3 wounds. (or 2/3 wounds if the lore attribute is used on them too)?

 

[meowser]

Just to throw it in there;

Varghiests:
Am I right to assume if in a unit of 3, one is slain and one has two remaining wounds, that a level 2 necro would restore a single wound on one ghiest, and resserect another to 1/3 wounds. (or 2/3 wounds if the lore attribute is used on them too)?

Nope. In that specific scenario, IoN spell effect would heal the 1 wound wound on the model, and then lore attribute wouldn't work because you can't use it to raise a new model.

If you a VH with 2 wounds taken (1 left), you could heal both wounds via IoN and then lore attribute

 

[Questioner]

Just to throw it in there;

Varghiests:
Am I right to assume if in a unit of 3, one is slain and one has two remaining wounds, that a level 2 necro would restore a single wound on one ghiest, and resserect another to 1/3 wounds. (or 2/3 wounds if the lore attribute is used on them too)?

Nope. In that specific scenario, IoN spell effect would heal the 1 wound wound on the model, and then lore attribute wouldn't work because you can't use it to raise a new model.

If you a VH with 2 wounds taken (1 left), you could heal both wounds via IoN and then lore attribute

Actually, I would say it would work, as it is not the lore attribute raising the model, it is ION.

Vargheist with 1 wound lost, lost wound must be healed first. Check.
Still wounds left over, no more wounded Vargheists, if a model is dead it can be raised with 1 wound. But no more wounds can be restored as the model has already gained a wound through ION. However, it could get a wound through the lore attribute.

 

[RobTheWise]

Actually, I would say it would work, as it is not the lore attribute raising the model, it is ION.

Vargheist with 1 wound lost, lost wound must be healed first. Check.
Still wounds left over, no more wounded Vargheists, if a model is dead it can be raised with 1 wound. But no more wounds can be restored as the model has already gained a wound through ION. However, it could get a wound through the lore attribute.

My point exactly!

 

[meowser]

You can only heal 1 wound per ion on vampiric units, so in this scenario, you cant use lore attribute on them, as they have no wounded model. Am i missing sometjing?

 

[Lepaca]

You can only heal 1 wound per ion on vampiric units, so in this scenario, you cant use lore attribute on them, as they have no wounded model. Am i missing sometjing?

I believe this is wrong. You can't heal a vempiric model for more than 1 wound.

So I believe Rob is correct.

 

[RobTheWise]

I don't have the book on me so can not qoute I'm afraid, but the IoN spell description does specifically say Models (not units) with the Vampiric special rule can only have one wound restored to them.

Although, I imagine this will get cleared up in an errata because I doubt it was the original intention for Blood Knights to be raised at the same rate as Black Knights.

It does make our Vampire cavalry a hell of a lot more viable though.

 

[Ben E. Violent]

The order of events: you get the attribute after successfully casting. I assume, anyways.

edit: Woot. Zombies.

 

[BigAL]

So if a unit of 6 varghiests takes 4 wounds, and you roll 2 6's for the vampiric ability do you gain a lost model back?

 

[Johnny-Crass]

Varghiests do not have The Hunger