This might be a stupid question, and probably something I SHOULD know the answer to, but is there any way to attach a character to a unit of vargheists?
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Vargheist
kevin.hopkins7
Black Knight
Johnny I request your assistance. I run a very similar list to your signature build. SGK plus MN with death in a ghoul horde. You have enticed us before with how to protect a master necromancer, but did not give enough info!
I am about to play in the Alamo Indy GT this weekend and only have limited match-ups and could use your advice!
Besides against my Skaven buddy ,it has worked AMAZINGLY well, but I still have concerns....
Sure he is sacrificial, but he can benefit from protection, how do you do it? I also remember you saying to stick him in the corner next to the SGK... in my limited experience this has been a rather bad place to stick him.
Do you move him out before combat? Do you sometimes start him off in another unit, or move him to that unit later on? Make sure its your charge, so you can get off a crucial debuff? Why stick him next to your SGK,? a miscast with either could be terrible, help me oh great Ohbi Wan Johnohbi.( I definitly @#$%ed that spelling up).
TY.
I am about to play in the Alamo Indy GT this weekend and only have limited match-ups and could use your advice!
Besides against my Skaven buddy ,it has worked AMAZINGLY well, but I still have concerns....
Sure he is sacrificial, but he can benefit from protection, how do you do it? I also remember you saying to stick him in the corner next to the SGK... in my limited experience this has been a rather bad place to stick him.
Do you move him out before combat? Do you sometimes start him off in another unit, or move him to that unit later on? Make sure its your charge, so you can get off a crucial debuff? Why stick him next to your SGK,? a miscast with either could be terrible, help me oh great Ohbi Wan Johnohbi.( I definitly @#$%ed that spelling up).
TY.
I either run him in a zombie bunker 1" behind the ghoul horde. Or if I need the spirit leeches I will run him in the far corner of the unit with the Ghoul King standing right next to him.
Hope we can meet up and play at SAWS if not sooner.Hope this hasnt been asked before but if it has, you can just point me to the answear/thread that I couldnt find =)
Dear Johnny,
It seems that the general consensus on the forum is that Fear and Fear Bombing is not a viable tactic. Why? And Is there a way to maximize the potential of a Fear Bombing list to make it semi viable?
Dear Johnny,
It seems that the general consensus on the forum is that Fear and Fear Bombing is not a viable tactic. Why? And Is there a way to maximize the potential of a Fear Bombing list to make it semi viable?
It is not viable in a TAC setting due to the popularity of ITP, Frenzy,Cold Blooded, Undead, Daemons and units that are just plain immune to fear.
If your meta includes Beastmen, Ogres and High Elves then maybe it would work. Other than that its no beans
If your meta includes Beastmen, Ogres and High Elves then maybe it would work. Other than that its no beans
Dear Johnny,
I'm playing in an 1800 point tournament next weekend. I cannot decide on what I should play.
My area features one Daemons of Chaos, Ogres, Lizardmen and possibly High Elves, Wood Elves, WoC, VC, Empire and Skaven.
At this value I can bring two Gheists. Should I play the WK/Necro combo? Should I focus ob rezzing lots of zombies while the Gheists scream? Or what do you recommend?
Thanks Johnny!
I'm playing in an 1800 point tournament next weekend. I cannot decide on what I should play.
My area features one Daemons of Chaos, Ogres, Lizardmen and possibly High Elves, Wood Elves, WoC, VC, Empire and Skaven.
At this value I can bring two Gheists. Should I play the WK/Necro combo? Should I focus ob rezzing lots of zombies while the Gheists scream? Or what do you recommend?
Thanks Johnny!
how about
Ghoul King
DBG
Red Fury
Sword of Might
Dispel Scroll
Lvl 2 Deathcro
Book
2x 20 zombies
Standards or Musos
28 Ghoul with champion
6-8 Crypt Horrors
Spirit Host
Spirit Host
Terror Ghiest
Rerror Ghiest
Should be about 1800 on the nose and not much at that level can handle it.
Ghoul King
DBG
Red Fury
Sword of Might
Dispel Scroll
Lvl 2 Deathcro
Book
2x 20 zombies
Standards or Musos
28 Ghoul with champion
6-8 Crypt Horrors
Spirit Host
Spirit Host
Terror Ghiest
Rerror Ghiest
Should be about 1800 on the nose and not much at that level can handle it.
Johnny-Crass said:
My Meta Does indeed include High Elves which I fight Frequently, and Ogres Which I fight infrequently. How Would I optimize a Fear Bombing List to go against those two opponents?
Jedi training works just as well as ninja training for beating people to the punch, it seems. :lol:
Even as a Beastmen player, I can't say I'm the biggest fan of the Fear-bomb. I've held my own in combats in spite of having units fail Fear tests, which is largely due to the fact that Primal Fury can mitigate a lot of those weaknesses (and it's not affected by some of the things that make the Fear-bomb so successful at making me fail the Fear test). When one of the armies tailor-made to be hit by this tactic can battle back, a different outlook might be a good idea.
Even as a Beastmen player, I can't say I'm the biggest fan of the Fear-bomb. I've held my own in combats in spite of having units fail Fear tests, which is largely due to the fact that Primal Fury can mitigate a lot of those weaknesses (and it's not affected by some of the things that make the Fear-bomb so successful at making me fail the Fear test). When one of the armies tailor-made to be hit by this tactic can battle back, a different outlook might be a good idea.
^ Truth. it is hard to build a vampire that can do it all. Even though we can build characters that can do more than most, you can't have him take potion and OTS. He can be kitted to be targeted against infantry with bloodshed (in which case take strength in case he gets drawn into combat against high armor models), or kitted against knights/characters (in which case Ogre blade + OTS). Unfortunately, he can't do both characters AND still be a crazy infantry blender.
I would say the build depends on your meta. If you face a lot of daemons, warriors of chaos (ie, armies that usually have troops with decent ward saves) or empire (chaos and empire having good armor), then take Ogre blade or scream blade + OTS. If, however, you face a lot of goblins, elves, skaven, or ogres, then bloodshed + strength would be a viable build, since they tend to have lower armor and more wounds. You could also throw another combat character in the same unit with OTS and keep him next to the ghoul king, so that he removes ward saves for the ghoul king's attacks, or just kit another character for hero-hunting and leave the ghoul king to handle massed troops. Hero vamps can take care of most characters pretty easily with might + OTS and quick blood. He would struggle against chaos lords, ogre tyrants, or high elf princes, but just about any other character he can handle easily enough (and its not like many competitive builds feature a tyrant, HE prince, or chaos lord frequently... most of those armies have a LV 4 as a general which the hero vamp can still smack down). Unkillable dreadlords he also would cause problems with even with OTS, but that is why we have terrorgheists anyway.
I would say the build depends on your meta. If you face a lot of daemons, warriors of chaos (ie, armies that usually have troops with decent ward saves) or empire (chaos and empire having good armor), then take Ogre blade or scream blade + OTS. If, however, you face a lot of goblins, elves, skaven, or ogres, then bloodshed + strength would be a viable build, since they tend to have lower armor and more wounds. You could also throw another combat character in the same unit with OTS and keep him next to the ghoul king, so that he removes ward saves for the ghoul king's attacks, or just kit another character for hero-hunting and leave the ghoul king to handle massed troops. Hero vamps can take care of most characters pretty easily with might + OTS and quick blood. He would struggle against chaos lords, ogre tyrants, or high elf princes, but just about any other character he can handle easily enough (and its not like many competitive builds feature a tyrant, HE prince, or chaos lord frequently... most of those armies have a LV 4 as a general which the hero vamp can still smack down). Unkillable dreadlords he also would cause problems with even with OTS, but that is why we have terrorgheists anyway.
Hmm... Regarding the FearBomb against Ogres I'm not really convinced. The Fearbomb is a hefty investment, and if you also need a Cairn it gets even worse. This and the fact that Ogres have bad WS to begin with makes them a less juicy target(yeah it might work but not as well as against HE which have good WS = they lose more).