First 1500pts balanced

[Kovah]

Hey im new to the forum although i have been reading your guys stuff as i have always liked vampire counts
well i will build my list in 500pt chuncks so this will actually contain 3 lists

The Horde- 500pts

Vampire-Raziel 200pts
Master of the black arts
Sceptre de Noirot
Flayed Hauberk

20 Zombies 80pts

2x 5 dire wolves 80pts

15 skeletons 140pts
Full command

Main 500pt list- Raziel will alomst always choose raise dead and just be an invocation power house at this level with 5 power dice to play with, then I have his unit of skeletons and the mandatory zombies to hold things up. The dire wolves are there for war machines or flanks so i can win with static combat as i expect noone to kill anyoe in combat apart from Raziel- in 1500pts when he is not general i may give him a common magic sword instead of his armour


The Sword - 480/488pts

Vampire- Dumah 208pts
Nightmare
Dark acolyte
Avatar of Death
Sword of might/battle
Book of Arkhan

2x 5 Black Knights 272/280pts
Barding/ Hell Knight

The Sword is meant to add some hard hitters into the army and some mobility. I know that Dumah can not join the knights without losing ethereal movement but he is still mobile and can join them on the flank with some wolves from the horde or something. He is also quite handy with Arkhans book increasing the already mobile black knights. Now i can not decide between barding or a hellknight for the units as the extra save would be great but i would like them to kill something so they can win combat. Although now thinking about it a Standard bearer may be good for his constant +1 to combat so they only need to kill 1 to win combat against average infantry in the side.

The Lord - 520pts

Vampire- Kain 200pts
Dark Acolyte
Lord of the Dead
Crown of the Damned
Black peripat/Sword of Battle

Battle standard upgrade for Raziel - 25pts

14 Skeletons 132pts
full command

Vargulf - Turel 175pts

-3 skeletons from Raziels unit -21pts

The Lord adds another magic user and block of infantry along with a hard hitting Vargulf. The vargulf can take a flank with a unit of blck knights quite effectivly i think.
Now is the crown of the damned a risk worth taking for a LD7 general, i could replace it with the Flayed hauberk saving me 10pts and replace it with a sowrd on Raziel giving me 20 pts spare so i dont have to take off any skeletons. . With spare 40pts however i can get the warbanner and the banner of everlasting death for skeletons or knights.


So as you can see i have the base of my list down but i have a few options that i am not sure about. Any advise is great especially tactics or help on those options i am not sure about.

Thanks
Kovah

 

[Mikael.K]

Seems like a solid list you have there. I dont think the crown is worth it on a Ld7 model. I´d let Raziel keep the hauberk since he´s the BSB of the army. I dont have the book yet so there is only so much advice I can give.

Nice to see somebody posting lists that arent 2250 points .

 

[Kovah]

Do you realy think that the BSB deserves the save more than the General especially when he is only a common vampire?
or is there another armour or ward i have missed out ?

 

[Mikael.K]

Yeah, you are right. I dont know if there are any other good saves in the book, without getting the avatar of war (heavy armour, shield, hand weapon) for a 3+ save or giving him a barded horse to increase that even further.

 

[Kovah]

Any other comments on the other options in the list or even viable tactics ?

 

[Cromenon]

I see some Blood Omen inspiration??

Now that's an original way of making an armylist.

What can I suggest you...

* Drop the crown. Ld 7 is not so brilliant, so you will fail the test eventually, and thus you are "losing" not only half his combat abilities, but also his power dice, since he cannot cast while being stupid. Take the nightsroud. Then if anyone attacks you, beat the h*ck out of them :devil:

* Bard the BK. Due to their ethereal movement they are not slowed down, so they are still moving 8". Now that's interesting for a hard hitter cavalry.

Anyway, good list.

 

[Kovah]

Thanks but i cant think of another name for when kain becomes a Vampire count he should be

I will probibly use him as
Vampire Count
Extra magic level
Master of the Black Arts, Red fury
Either- Blood drinker, Crown of the Damned and something else
-Skull Staff, Crown of the Damned
Or - Skull Staff, Sword of .... and either nightshroud, or the cuirass
He will be about 450pts leaving 50 pts
Then i will probibly get 3x10 skeletons with full command and use 4 power dice a turn for my unnamed vampire to cast invocation untill they are a decent size

This just bring more decisions but i am hoping that by the end of turn 2 i might have got 4-5 successful casts of invocation on the skeletons bringing their numbers up, especially with my power house of a 5 powerdice count luring out dispell dice.

Just another thought, although i want red fury possibly sacificing it for another lord of the dead with infinite hatred or dark acolyte would benefit the army even if it cuts into his character a bit.

O so many choices

thanks for the help
Kovah