Foundation paints

[VON_KRUG]

I heard you can use the foundation paints on the gun but I have not tried it yet.

I would not spray base all my models, maybe Space Marines, Orks and Orcs but not VC or IG.

 

[N1AK]

The spray gun is only expected to work well with the foundation and washes, the old paints are not consistent or evenly pigmented enough (so I've been told). Metals also look dodgy when air brushed on.

Another thing to factor in with a proper DA air brush is that you can use it for undercoating very easily (no more black spray). A friend does this, and he gets an incredible amount of models done from one paint pot (certainly 2-3 armies, which would take 4-6 Spray Undercoats).

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

In the white dwarf it says you can use foundation paints however they will need watering down, there is apparently a measuring gauge on the side of the pot showing how much water & paint to mix, still a good chance you 'll end up clogging it up or something.....

 

[Disciple of Nagash]

Seen this as well:

GW just sent word they are removing the Flamer styler spray gun and the propellant can for 'performance and customer satisfaction related issues, no safety concerns were a part of this decision'.

So from sounds of it go for regular airbrush, more expensive does not necessarily mean better.......

 

[VON_KRUG]

30 bucks is not expensive.

 

[The Inspector]

I would just like to quickly add my appreciation for the new foundation paints and washes. I am, frankly, a poor/mediocre painter and as such have little credentials to have any say in what is 'good' or 'bad' in terms of Citadel releases - but even I can see the excellent nature in both of the new foundations and washes.

I have yet to taste them, however.

 

[The Dark Sheep]

Don't do. I (unfortunatly) did taste the washes a couple of days ago and the horrible, disgusting, poisonos and -a lot of sensored words- taste was in my mouth for ages, even though i drank so much water it came floating out of my ears :|.
Conclusion: If you want to stay alive don't even use the same water for washes as you do for your other paints...

 

[VON_KRUG]

The new washes are sooo good you dont need to water them down.

 

[The Dark Lord Mr Fluffy]

Whats a good wash to get first? I'm needing a dirty one, to paint filth with. Anyone care to point me in the right direction?

 

[The Inspector]

I just used Badab Black to fill the crevices in a unit of skellies (rib cages, eye sockets, etc) and it worked great. The Black may be a tad dark for filth, however - perhaps Devlan Mud?

I have a question of my own, actually. Would any of the washes be appropriate to darken or generally 'age' a metallic paint (boltgun metal)? Usually I would use a dab of brown ink, but the inks are becoming rather difficult to procure these days.

 

[The Dark Sheep]

They get a bit darker, but at the same time the shinyness disappears, so I'd rather say mix Chaos black and boltgun metal.

 

[norskman]

I used Devlan Mud on one of my skellies as a test to see what happened, and I decided that I really like Devlan Mud as adding filth to a model. Maybe mix some Devlan Mud and the Sepia?

 

[VON_KRUG]

They get a bit darker, but at the same time the shinyness disappears, so I'd rather say mix Chaos black and boltgun metal.

Use 'Ardcoat after the wash has dried, it will bring back the shine.

 

[The Dark Lord Mr Fluffy]

I am now the proud owner of all the new washes, and to be honest, I wasn't blown away by them after they tossed the inks for them. Sure they can fix cloth and skin very well, but they do basically nothing for metallics, which is a shame. Nothing comes close to the old ink Chestnut for me, it was one of the best things GW sold.

However, I am getting to like the new washes. For skin they are good, and as i said before, they work well with clothes too. I've used Baal Red, Leviathan and Devlan Mud on my Vlad so far, and it looks good.

As for foundation paints - All Hail Mechrite Red! One of the 3 foundations I have, it works so well! Tastes awful mind you. And all the new washes taste Terrible! Do Not eat the washes!

 

[Crimson]

@ Fluffy, you seriously tried the washes :O

 

[N1AK]

I try not to lick my brush with the washes (water stops them working as well), but I forget sometimes. I didn't think they tasted that bad?

The foundation paints on the other hand are absolutely foul :|

 

[The Dark Sheep]

I have actually stopped licking my brush after I got the wash box, so if you've tried to end your bad habit... there's your answer.
(You knew that you could get cancer if you ate too much paint :|?)

 

[VON_KRUG]

Why would you need to lick your brush for washes?

@ Fluffy: If you no longer have chestnut ink, mix the sepia with baal red and then hit it with 'ardcoat, it will have a similar effect.

 

[The Dark Lord Mr Fluffy]

All of them. They're very good for painters that use a base coat of white, but people who build up from black like me will be a bit dissapointed.
But they make aging skin easier, which is always good

 

[VON_KRUG]

@ Fluffy: Try using one of the foundation paints when your building up from black, then use the washes...

 

[The Dark Lord Mr Fluffy]

I've actually just done that, and I have to say, I was impressed. I also tested the washes a bit more on a grave guard, and I'm liking the results. They work differently to the inks, in some ways better but still in some ways worse, but over all, I am growing to like them

Took N1AKs idea of red armour and added some of my own techniques to it, on my Vlad. So then I went to my local GW today, and asked them could they show me how to paint as a joke, then showed them my Vlad. They looked at me and asked me if I could tell them how to paint! And thats how I became a good painter... :lol:

And then they showed me how to get the most from the washes, turned out I was using them a bit too sparingly + water is your best friend for layering with them

 

[Bug16]

As something of an inks fanatic after having read the thread here I bought the GW ink boxed set yesterday. First impression were how small the pots are. Let's just say that I was not impressed!

I tried them out on a few test figures from varying ranges and they're quite good but not as amazing as I was expecting them to be. I'll see what I think of them again in a month.

Even so, I reckon that finally repainting my stripped Space Marines will take about two months using the new inks which'll be handy.

 

[Bug16]

Nothing comes close to the old ink Chestnut for me, it was one of the best things GW sold.

My entire VC army is built around Brown and Chestnut ink, so when I heard the canning of their inks I bought as many pots of them as I could! (I could probably paint two armies with the amount I've now got stashed away. )

I've not tried the Vajello inks yet but it's on my list of things to do.

 

[Bug16]

I had a go with the Badab Black ink or whatever it's called painted over heavy armour that was base coated with chainmail.

I'm very impressed. Not only does it give a good, if dull, effect, it dried in about 15 minutes. Add a light chainmail drybrush to brighten it up again then a very watered down chestnut ink you can get a very quick and effective rusty armour look on heavy armour.

I'm already wondering how this'll look on my 6mm Imperial Romans (obviously minus the chestnut ink, my IR's won't be rusty!). I'm hoping not good, because that'll mean stripping and repainting nearly 250 of them.. Argh!

One thing I will say about the black ink is that it does feel like a very watered down dipping solution and for those of us who enjoy licking our brushes it tasted disgusting!

 

[The Dark Lord Mr Fluffy]

Oh Badab Black, it is actually a miracle wash in a pot! I love the stuff to undeath. It makes all my armour look so old and worn, with a single wash!

But sadly, all the new washes taste awful