Gameplay behaviour

[Nagash_FFC]

During my games with different players I experienced different gaming styles and some behaviours which are - in my opinion - could be questionable, mostly on competitions.

Like I encountered player, who sweared loudly during the game and hit the wall with his fists.
Another one was rules-nazi, and pointed out every 1 inch distances and made almost all of my moves impossible.

But what was the most irritating in my eyes (myself being more a miniature painter than a gamer), who threw the dice dynamically around... instead of rolling them on the table, he threw it up high waiting to land on the table, or threw a big bunch of dies heavily, not one time pushing off my minis... I think this behaviour is unacceptable, since someone is paying really much time and effort, to paint those expensive miniatures.

What do you think about this topic?

 

[Onikaigo]

I haven't played in a while, but only ran into one example of such 'Questionable' behavior.

I believe such things to show great immaturity, lack of respect for your opponent, and general disregard for the social constructs that one enters into when agreeing to a competition. I don't roll my dice where they might impact my opponents models or my own, for one that effects the roll outcome so could in some minds be construed as cheating. It also damages models, depending on the velocity, and then might affect the gamestate, which also could be construed as cheating. I personally use a dicecup, so I have no chance at hitting opponents or my own models.

The best advice I can give in this situation is to look your opponent square in the eye and say, 'Stop being a douche.' If they don't toss dice at their face and let them roll all over their war machines after bouncing off a cornea or tooth. They'll get the hint.

 

[Raizi]

I haven't encountered those gamers for years, as nowadays I play with a group of adult people, who also are my good friends and we have other shared interests too than wargaming. (Well, actually it's just gaming in general )

Sometime back though, I encountered a few of these types. I pointed out if they were being too strict or just plain a$$holes with the rules and with bending them, but if they did any damage to my mini's (there was one) deliberately the game was over at that second.

I also made a note if the gaming went on smoothly after the remark or if I enjoyed it and I just didn't start a game again with those who didn't give me a good sport. I'm not talking about winning here, just a nice and appropriate behavior.

That ended up thinning my list of opponents no doubt, but I see that this hobby is too expensive anyway for me to pay for the company of complete jerks.

Just be fair toward others and expect the same. If someone crosses the line, point it out. They might not understand to change their behavior otherwise. If that doesn't help, just pick your mini's and move on.

As a teenager we went that far with my playgroup in our fanboyism, that the host always had tea and bisquits for the opponent as we thought that's what the Brits would do. :lol:

 

[Nagash_FFC]

Well the funny part is, that the guy tossing the dies around was one of the oldest adults on that competition.

 

[Abbysal]

As stated above just look them in the eye and tell them to grow up, chill out, calm down or piss off!

Sometimes I get into difficult situations with my friends when playing and I am a very relaxed gamer, extremely relaxed but that is the name of the game, I either roll over at the time and explain later that the same kind of rule bending, rule loyermongering or cheesy attitude isn't going to work next time or I call time on the game and explain that I've had enough of the affore mentioned for one day.

The sad thing is that some people don't change no matter what, there is one guy here in Beijing that cannot get a game for love nor money anymore, literally and he really doesn't understand why. I've played him and it is not an enjoyable experience.:zombie:

 

[Nagash_FFC]

What was your experience with him?

As stated above just look them in the eye and tell them to grow up, chill out, calm down or piss off!

Sometimes I get into difficult situations with my friends when playing and I am a very relaxed gamer, extremely relaxed but that is the name of the game, I either roll over at the time and explain later that the same kind of rule bending, rule loyermongering or cheesy attitude isn't going to work next time or I call time on the game and explain that I've had enough of the affore mentioned for one day.

The sad thing is that some people don't change no matter what, there is one guy here in Beijing that cannot get a game for love nor money anymore, literally and he really doesn't understand why. I've played him and it is not an enjoyable experience.:zombie:

 

[Abbysal]

Actually he is a rule mongeror and he does everything he can to cheat! He would try and push your models back as soon as you move them stating that you turned a bit or something. He'd argue every time you got an overrun into another of his units saying that you were facing a slightly different angle. He would move a unit esp flyers, move another unit, and another then go back to the original and change its facing, move it a little to the left or right, shift it around........he'd end up moving 26" instead of 20"!!

His best one was my second game of hammer, I had organised for another friend to play his first game so it was 2 against him, VC, Ogres against his TK. Now this might not sound that bad but it was our first games and he's supposedly a vet. He snipes my lord first turn effectively finishing the game.

He wonders why no one wants to play.

 

[Chaos_Born]

Whenever I play a game, I keep track of how irritating the player is and match their style of play. If a guy is friendly, lenient about slight forgetfulness and gives benefit of the doubt about distances and such, then I am happy to as well. Then if I come across a complete jerk that is really strict, I give him a taste of his own medicine. Of course if someone is intentionally cheating then I refuse to play them, but I suppose that I don't have short supply of people to play. If you need to play them in a tournament or something, just watch them closely and if they do anything remotely out of line then you need to make a big deal about it. They should get the picture and stop.

 

[Jacques Dauger De Cavoye]

When I started with friends a while back we had some serious issues with people who couldn't handle losing. They would up and quit the came, throw dice around, and generally be douchebags. Eventually they figured out the objective of the game may be to win, but the point of the hobby is to have fun. Just let them know that they need to chill or it's no fun for anybody.

 

[Count Darvaleth]

I've often played cheating douches. Generally I don't want to make a fuss in the GW store, as the guys there are nice and hate it when there are arguments when customers are looking around. So I let the guy do his little cheats here and there, wipe the floor with his sorry ass, then point out that telling me that his DE combat drugs give him +1S regardless of the roll and that a Talos shoots blast templates at everything on the board is not going to help him win warhammer.

One guy simply didn't get the message, though, and tried to convince me his Nightbringer could ressurect Chaos Bikers. So I got out my Necron codex, and read each rule very loudly until he gave up. There's just no escaping these people; way to beat them is to go full-competitive and wipe the floor with their cheesy, greasy arses and show them that tactics win over rule-bending.

 

[Jacques Dauger De Cavoye]

I agree with Darvaleth

Step 1: Grin and Bare it <--- kind of Like that, not a full happy smile, the eyes still convey hatred, but the rest of the face agrees.

Step 2: exploit the fact that he is a poor player and make sup for this by cheating.

Step 3: DESTROY HIM

 

[Undead Teapot]

For the most part I play with a group of 6 people. We all know the rules pretty well, and therefore the games, for the most part, go very smoothly. I don't really play with random people very often at my gw. Mainly because they are very loud, obnoxious, and most of them do not know the rules very well.

 

[Kuwanger23]

I agree with the above statements. However on the note of the "rule Nazi" this is a fuzzy area. In a game of movement when people botch movement or wheel through their units or other type of shenanigans I WILL call them on it. Keep in mind once a unit is moved it is impossible to move it back to where it was. I would say in most every game you play this is not a problem. It is usually sloppy players who don't realize the importance or blatant cheaters. I play warmachine hordes mainly and in that game there can be NO fudging of movement. In many many many games it means a win or a loss. I am not sure how it effects 8th edition nowadays as I know in 40k it isn't that big of a deal. But in 7th it was pretty big. Botched movement is one of my few pet peeves. Among friends it is easy to show them or help them, though in my group everyone pretty much knows what's going on all the time and there are few slip ups. However in tournament situations sometimes you just have to "manage" the situation. Literally tell them they can or cannot do whatever it is they are doing and let them know why.

There was a Grand tournament many years back that my friend played in and he had an interesting time against a dark elf player with mostly monsters. He was counting the hills as infinitely tall so he could hide his monsters. Come turn 1 when my friend a dwarf player started shooting his cannons at his dragon and hydras and what have you he stated that hills do not work like that. They called over a TO and the TO agreed with the DE player even though my friend found it in the rule book lol. Sometimes you can't win I guess. Like when the FAQ'd that the tree man could stand and shoot because it was a shooting attack we as a gaming group had to make a house rule that you couldn't because IT SAYS YOU CAN'T RIGHT IN THE BOOK!!!! Of course the wood elf player was not happy with our decision.

All in all hopefully your meta doesn't have that many players that do those annoying things we all hate. At the end of the day it is just a game. Yes you should be competitive, but there is a line. Some people come across as rules Nazis because they don't even say why you can't do something or just they way they carry themselves. Sometimes their tone of voice. There is no reason not to be friendly and explain situations to your opponent. Some people need a little help because they may be new or in many cases enjoy the painting and converting aspect of the hobby more so than the gaming so they don't know the rules as well.