General Discussion

[AnthonyR13]

Hello all im essentially a NEWbly raised zombie and am still figuring out the game and the VC Army.

I have a question about making my Vampire Lord aka my general

What are the Differences not only in Builds but also play style of a CASTER lord and a FIGHTER lord?

Also, i hear the term deathstar thrown around for the composition of a unit (mostly Grave gaurds, and Blood knights) but i was wondering what the term actually means (PS i know what a deathstar in the star wars universe is...hehehe).

thanks

 

[Jacques Dauger De Cavoye]

Vampire lords often serve best as a level 4 Wizard. Their ability to take Vampire powers like MotBA and Forbidden lore make them best used as a Caster. Furthermore, a Lvl 4 Wizard has much more power over a battle compared to a Fighter lord who can really only hit things, especially considering VC's dependence on Magic. If you want a Killy character, Vampire thralls are also very capable Fighter lords if equipped properly, they still outclass most fighter heroes/lords, yet they don't have the magic prowess to act as dedicated caster. Therefore I recommend a Caster Lord over a Fighter lord.

As for a Deathstar, it's very big, very powerful, and very expensive unit. They are often run in tournies and competitive games. They are kinda cheesy, and generally overplayed. They also perform exceedingly well at upsetting your opponents

 

[AnthonyR13]

Thanks so much Jaque (sp) , youve been helpin me out big time!

So if i go with a Caster Lord as my General, and a Necromancer to be my scroll caddy for dispels, should i make my vampire thralls (heroes)
fighters and place them in certain units?

Lastly what are some ideal builds for a Caster Lord and how do you use them in an actually fight? (others than the obvious casting of spells) like what are the most important enemie units (IE units, or heroes etc) to focus on?

thanks so much for being so generous with your knowledge

 

[Uthiliano]

Agree at every point Jacques Dauger De Cavoye made except the talking about lvl 4, FL and MotBA which can't be combined ofcourse...

Generally I take a lvl 4 with MotBA if I have atleast one other vampire in the army and if not then I use FL instead to make sure I get the spells I need...

So caster builds much used would be:

Vampire Lord + extra level
Master of the Black Arts, Forbidden Lore/Dark Acolyte and Summon Ghouls
Talisman of Preservation, Helm of Commandment and Earthing Rod

All in all comes down to 455/450 points...

 

[Sanai]

A combat lord can be pretty nasty if used right. Blood Drinker, Flayed Hauberk, Crown of the Damned, Red Fury, Infinite Hatred, Supernatural Horror. This will create a large amount of dead enemies, and also help the unit he is with regenerate wounds.

I personally use a hybrid lord on a zombie dragon. (Hes a level 4 wizard who is also fairly killy)

 

[Jacques Dauger De Cavoye]

@Uthiliano: Oh, yea I know you can't combine MotBa and FL (Unless you take a level 3 with both) I was just saying that either or can be devastating with the right build. I also agree with taking FL when you are low on casters.

@Sanai: Zombie Dragon Lord?? NICE!

@AnthonyR13: No problem, glad to help

 

[AnthonyR13]

OH that is awesome advice from both of yall!!

I actually just picked up the Blood Dragon vampire on a winged nightmare which i dont think they make anymore ( or atleast i dont think they do) if yall know which model im talking about. Anyway i wanted to use him as my lord on a zombie dragon, but some other folks around here said that it would just make him a target and he wouldnt last long or be that viable?

Also Sanai im not trying to "Bite" your style but i love the idea of your hybrid on the ZD so i was wondering what your build for him would look like and how i would need to play him and what not so that he wouldnt be shot down?

Thank you so much Jaque and Sanai you guys are awesome, im still new to Warhammer and have fallen in absolute love with it so im trying to learn as much as possible

 

[Jacques Dauger De Cavoye]

Haha, I've got nothing better to do, so here goes some more advice. I'm not positive on the best build for a ZD lord but it's probably something like this:

Vamp Lord
Red Fury
Infinite Hatred
Walking Death

Wristbands of Black and Gold.
Flayerd hauberk
Blood Drinker

At least that's how I'd run him. you could swap the wristbands for crown of the damned, but I feel you won't need to worry about CC as much, as a lot of things are gonna hit the Lord on a 6, and with blood drinker, unless your Lord dies to CC in one turn (unlikely ) then blood drinker will bring him right back up. For added oomph play a thrall with lore of beasts, give him +3 attack and strength. 8 strength 8 attacks from him alone with red fury, a possible 16 attacks, and then the ZD. Yea you'll do just fine, to bad it's 720 points.

 

[Uthiliano]

Might aswell take Potion of Foolhardiness aswell then eh?... one use for an extra attack on charge

 

[Jacques Dauger De Cavoye]

If you've got 5 points to spare, take whatever you can!